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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 26th, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chatmaggot
Just so that I am perfectly clear as to what you are saying. Are you stating that there has never...ever...been a tradition of the RCC that in no way contradicted anything is written in the Bible? Ever?
That's exactly what I'm saying. There has never been any aspect of formal Catholic doctrine (oral Tradition) that has in any way contradicted the Scriptures (written Tradition).
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
That's exactly what I'm saying. There has never been any aspect of formal Catholic doctrine (oral Tradition) that has in any way contradicted the Scriptures (written Tradition).
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Except for the Marion doctrines. Just thought we should make sure that's clear.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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July 26th, 2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
Except for the Marion doctrines. Just thought we should make sure that's clear.
The Marian dogmas in no way contradict the Scriptures. They may contradict CM's opinion about the meaning of Scripture, but that's a different issue entirely. Just thought we should make that clear.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
The Marian dogmas in no way contradict the Scriptures. They may contradict CM's opinion about the meaning of Scripture, but that's a different issue entirely. Just thought we should make that clear.
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Nope. They contradict scripture. How many mediators are their between men and God? Who must God obey?
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 26th, 2012, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
Nope. They contradict scripture.
Nope, only your (mis)interpretation of Scripture.
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How many mediators are their between men and God?
One salvific Mediator (Christ), and many secondary mediators.
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Who must God obey?
God "must" obey no one. When God answers prayer, he isn't "obeying" the one who prayed. Another straw man on your part.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
One salvific Mediator (Christ), and many secondary mediators.
Scripture names only one mediator.
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God "must" obey no one. When God answers prayer, he isn't "obeying" the one who prayed. Another straw man on your part.
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Trad points out that Jesus must obey Mary in all things since she is His mother and to ignore her would be to break the commandment to honor his mother. Catholic doctrine holds that Jesus is fully God thus Mary is the mother of God. Therefore, God must obey Mary according to Catholic oral tradition.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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Love all three trinities in my life.
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July 26th, 2012, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
Scripture names only one mediator.
Trad points out that Jesus must obey Mary in all things since she is His mother and to ignore her would be to break the commandment to honor his mother. Catholic doctrine holds that Jesus is fully God thus Mary is the mother of God. Therefore, God must obey Mary according to Catholic oral tradition.
Must might be too strong a word. I think that Mary (much like Protestants) has Jesus in her heart and faith in his love for her.
Seeing as she is in his love, she will not make a request that he would not see as having merit himself. Her request becomes his reqest and so it goes.
tWINs
PS Some find it easier to go to the mother in a family for some reason.
The hair in the left nostril of the Body of Christ that feels the Spirit come in and the Spirit go out.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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July 26th, 2012, 04:04 PM
SilenceInMotion,
You believe a person needs to be Roman Catholic, for what?
Something to occur, something to be established, something else?
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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July 26th, 2012, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
Scripture names only one mediator.
One salvific Mediator, yes.
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Trad points out that Jesus must obey Mary in all things since she is His mother and to ignore her would be to break the commandment to honor his mother. Catholic doctrine holds that Jesus is fully God thus Mary is the mother of God. Therefore, God must obey Mary according to Catholic oral tradition.
No, not "in all things," though certainly in all things that comport with the will of God. It is assumed that Mary---being the Mother of God, as you've said, as well as glorified in heaven---would never ask her son for anything contrary to the Divine will (cf. Jn. 2:5). Thus, Jesus Christ would indeed never refuse his mother whatever she asks of him.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Never be haughty to the humble; never be humble to the haughty.
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July 26th, 2012, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree View Post
there are more child molesters in NON catholic "churches" than in Catholic... TWICE as many
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This is an out right lie..
Maybe an exaggeration. But it certainly is a bigger problem in Protestant denominations: Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
From the Christian Science Monitor
While your denomination's problems may not be twice as bad as that of Catholics, it does seem that you need to clean your own house before you start peeking in the neighbor's windows.
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For as much as it depends on you, live at peace with others.
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July 26th, 2012, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The Barbarian
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Maybe an exaggeration. But it certainly is a bigger problem in Protestant denominations: Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
From the Christian Science Monitor
While your denomination's problems may not be twice as bad as that of Catholics, it does seem that you need to clean your own house before you start peeking in the neighbor's windows.
What house do I have to clean?...I do not believe organized churches or paid staff is biblical.
See, for God to have a relationship with man, Christ had to come in flesh. That flesh, which you will notice is central to the Eucharist, is the mediator.
But there is more to it then that. Just as God sent Moses, and through Moses the Jewish leaders, so to did Jesus send the apostles. That is how the Judiac-Christian notion has always been.
Protestants, Baptists, and the like attempt to redefine that, and that does indeed put one at risk because it is not how God has ever worked.
Go back to the OP of the thread and note the passage of Moses' seat and the Pharisees.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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July 26th, 2012, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SilenceInMotion
Christ had to come in flesh.
What is your verse for this?
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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