Jesus and Einstein on the Expansion of the Universe
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Jesus and Einstein on the Expansion of the Universe -
August 6th, 2012, 11:37 AM
JESUS AND EINSTEIN ON THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
Dear Ben,
Q. - According to Torah in Genesis 2:3, after the six days of Creation, God blessed the Seventh Day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work He had done in Creation. But in John 5:17 Jesus declared that God has been at work until now; obviously, that He has never stopped with his work of Creation. How can this apparent contradiction be harmonized?
A. - There is no contradiction. The six days of creation was the Jewish way to establish the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy in terms of resting, but by man and not by God, Who is not like a man to need rest. (Num. 23:19) The mention of God in the text was only to render the day holy.
Two thousand years ago a Jew - Jesus - made it clear that God has never stopped working. Then, two thousand years later, another Jew - Einstein - being asked if he believed in God, said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of Creation. Somehow, the first Jew had in mind the newly discovered expansion of the universe; on the other hand, obviously, the second Jew had Creation in mind when he connected his answer to the question if he believed in God, with his then research on the theory of the expansion of the universe.
Another probable evidence is found in the unsuccessful struggle of modern Cosmologists to understand how the expansion of the universe takes place. Some of them suggest that a way to understand that phenomenon is through quantum mechanics with the help of dark energy that could even explain the theory of multiverses. The fundamental problem though, is that, none knows what dark energy is and how it opperates in the universe.
Einstein, the second Jew in the context of this thread, gave another booster as he implied "design" by saying that God does not play dice. Could it be that expansion of the universe is the result of a design?
While research is keeping researchers busy on both sides, let us keep our minds open to the eventual probability that Einstein's master theory that will explain all theories is around the corner waiting only to surprise us all. When Einstein died, he was working on this master theory of his that would explain all the other theories.
You know as a good Jew the english word rest is Hebrew shabath or cease desist or rest. As in God ceased creating would be better for our understanding rather than resting, when we recuperate .
Also you know that Gen 1:1 was not the beginning of all creation but the first act described is the creation of light verse 3 rather than creation of earth and heaven as normally accepted.
The creation of the universe has to have occurred at the same instant when Satan and his followers were expelled from Heaven. As a prison or place of captivity with a instance of beginning, fits with a expanding physical space. add the creation of time at this same instance, suggest the impending judgement that is coming.
JESUS AND EINSTEIN ON THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
The fundamental problem though, is that, none knows what dark energy is and how it opperates in the universe.
Einstein, the second Jew in the context of this thread, gave another booster as he implied "design" by saying that God does not play dice. Could it be that expansion of the universe is the result of a design?
Ben
1) It is not a surprise that scientistsdo not "know what dark energy is since they do not know what the other seven forms of Energy is either.
They are agreed that all they can sy is that whatever Energy may be, it is that "entity" that can make things move, and that it can bemeasured by the Work that is done when something does move.
2) The second thing I would add here is that Einstein was wrong that God does not play Dice in that the fundamental Law of Probability is the foundation for our present Science.
In regard to God, resting, I see that in relationship to the fact that we are still in the Cenozoic Era, or the seventh "day," awaiting the next cataclysmic event to differentiate the eighth "day" from those which passed.
1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day
you just went around and around to try to validate imaginary divisions as facts. The answer that would have given credence to your position is also in the Bible . the word for day is Hebrew "yown" not only means" day" but can mean " period of time"
Slogan/motto:
Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way.
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August 6th, 2012, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tomlapalm
you just went around and around to try to validate imaginary divisions as facts. The answer that would have given credence to your position is also in the Bible . the word for day is Hebrew "yown" not only means" day" but can mean " period of time"
While you are correct in that yown can mean period of time, the period of time in Gen 1 is delimited by "the evening and the morning".
you just went around and around to try to validate imaginary divisions as facts. The answer that would have given credence to your position is also in the Bible . the word for day is Hebrew "yown" not only means" day" but can mean " period of time"
That is true.
Yowm can mean half a day, a watch, a year, an Age, or the long Eras which are represented by six distinct rock layers, all formed between the cataclysmic event of a meteor hit that destroyed the life on earth at that time and required those few species that survived to replenish the Globe again.
The International Commission on Stratigraphy classifies these six different layers in what is called the Chronologic measurement:
The geologic time scale provides a system of chronologic measurement relating stratigraphy to time that is used by geologists, paleontologists and other earth scientists to describe the timing and relationships between events that have occurred during the history of the Earth.
When informed of the fact that six "days" of long Eras have been recognized by the Geologists, many people react to check this out and find that many eras and eons exist.
They fail to distinguish between the parts of the six major divisions or layers and count out dozens of eras.
Sometimes such a graph is useful, too.
But for Theoistic Evolution bible readers we focus on the Geochronological classification:
While you are correct in that yown can mean period of time, the period of time in Gen 1 is delimited by "the evening and the morning".
That is true, also for the Eras which are subdivided as are the earth days we know so well:
The Hebrew word, "yowm," which is translated "day," actually means an unspecified period of time.
In genesis, this word implies something different than the normal 24 hour period.
This can be seen in verses Gen 1:14-19.
There, on that fourth "yowm," solar time is itself created, and the 24 hour day is specifically enumerated among the other works of the creation.
link: yowm
Gen. 1:8 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), called the firmament Heaven. And the (Early Imbrian) evening (of the Hadean Era) and the (Eoarchean) morning (of the Archean Era) were the second "day:" (yowm, in the Hebrew, means an unspecified duration).
While you are correct in that yown can mean period of time, the period of time in Gen 1 is delimited by "the evening and the morning".
but since the son and moon were not made until verse 16, the evening and morning used before that must have a different meaning than we use the words today
That is true, also for the Eras which are subdivided as are the earth days we know so well:
The Hebrew word, "yowm," which is translated "day," actually means an unspecified period of time.
In genesis, this word implies something different than the normal 24 hour period.
This can be seen in verses Gen 1:14-19.
There, on that fourth "yowm," solar time is itself created, and the 24 hour day is specifically enumerated among the other works of the creation.
link: yowm
Gen. 1:8 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), called the firmament Heaven. And the (Early Imbrian) evening (of the Hadean Era) and the (Eoarchean) morning (of the Archean Era) were the second "day:" (yowm, in the Hebrew, means an unspecified duration).
why would the "yown" be different after verse 16 and not the same throughout the creation story, a more generic "period of time" as opposed to 24 hr day?
Slogan/motto:
Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way.
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August 6th, 2012, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tomlapalm
but since the son and moon were not made until verse 16, the evening and morning used before that must have a different meaning than we use the words today
You have day and night already in verse 5. The light was day and the darkness was night. And that was the first day. Perhaps the author differentiated between light and darkness on earth from the sun and the moon as though they were unrelated.
but since the son and moon were not made until verse 16, the evening and morning used before that must have a different meaning than we use the words today
The Hebrew word (`asah) = "made" means made authority over the solar clock.
but the question is" why would God do this slowly over eons?" any ideas?
Because God does things according to his own Natural Laws.
That way, it is possible for man to image the whole existence we enjoy as we learn his ways and form the spirit of mind that models Truth.
His son is the Truth which man can also accept and be saved/
The International Commission on Stratigraphy classifies these six different layers in what is called the Chronologic measurement:
When informed of the fact that six "days" of long Eras have been recognized by the Geologists, many people react to check this out and find that many eras and eons exist.
They fail to distinguish between the parts of the six major divisions or layers and count out dozens of eras.
Sometimes such a graph is useful, too.
But for Theoistic Evolution bible readers we focus on the Geochronological classification:
Dave, you have been called out on this graph before and you know it is an incomplete graph.
All anyone need to do is click your link and read the caption beneath the picture you have posted.
"This clock representation shows some of the major units of geological time and definitive events of Earth history. The Hadean eon represents the time before fossil record of life on Earth; its upper boundary is now regarded as 4.0 Ga.[1] Other subdivisions reflect the evolution of life; the Archean and Proterozoic are both eons, the Palaeozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic are eras of the Phanerozoic eon. The two million year Quaternary period, the time of recognizable humans, is too small to be visible at this scale."
There are 4 eons, which are further divided into 10 eras.
The major divisions are 4, not 6.
You are purposefully being deceptive here and mixing the eons and eras.
Also, people who accept theistic evolution do not focus on geological scales whatsoever in terms of theology.
The focus is not even on biological evolution, except to acknowledge that a belief in a Creator and a belief in evolution is compatable.
You are quite confused on all subjects you choose to discuss.
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