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August 6th, 2012, 07:54 PM
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Who or What is this EXPRESS image of God?
1. God is a spirit, so his image would be a spirit.
2. This is God's firstborn of every creature, a creation.
3. This spirit has deity for it has the fullness of the father.
4. This spirit was with God before the creation, creation was done through this spirit.
5. This spirit is a form of God
I use the term Christ spirit to discribe this image.
What do YOU think it is?
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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August 6th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Good post!
Jesus Christ is the express image of God aka the image AND likeness of God having the same spirit and soul as God. Therefore when you see Jesus you see the Father
Man having a spirit and soul is simply made in the image of God, but man made in both the image and likeness as stated God in Ge.1;26 is the fulfillment of His plan for man
This is why Jesus is the first-fruit of many to come
Please read and support: "Modern Day Prophet" by Douglas Duncan
It's what we are to become at our resurrection from the dead! On the last day!
John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Joh 11:24 Martha *said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."
We shall all have the express image of God on the last day at our resurrection! Then we shall be like HIM! (Jesus) our brother... the first born from the dead!
Paul
From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Oh God of Truth, deliver us.
~ Ancient Prayer
1. God is a spirit, so his image would be a spirit.
No, GOD is infinite spirit, invisible.... and the point is that the image is the visible revelation of the invisible GOD.
The 'image' is tangeable, visible, the knowable expression of the very essence of GOD.
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image-χαρακτήρ
charaktḗr; gen. charaktḗros, masc. noun from charássō (n.f., see cháragma [G5480]), to carve. Occurs only in Heb_1:3 where it is translated "express image," referring to Jesus Christ. Here He is described as the charaktḗr tḗs hupostáseōs autoú (tē̄́s [G3588], the [gen. fem.]; hupostáseōs [G5287], essence [gen.]; autoú [G846], he [gen. masc.]), "the exact image of His [God's] essence" (a.t.). Whatever the divine essence is, Jesus is said to be its perfect expression. The writer of Hebrews thus sets forth a high Christology affirming the deity of Jesus Christ.-Spiros Zodhiates "Complete Word Study Dictionary"
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2. This is God's firstborn of every creature, a creation.
The term 'firstborn' naturally means the first one born, but was modified in GOD's election to be a title of rank.
Of Noah's sons, Japheth was the first born, but Shem is mentioned first because he carries the blessing and inheritance.
Of Abraham's sons, Ishmael was born first, but Isaac becomes the 'yachid/only' son.
Of Isaac's sons, Esau is born first, but Jacob gets the blessing and inheritance.
Of Jacob's sons, Reuben is born first, but the King will come from Judah.
Of Joseph's sons, Manassah is born first, but GOD calls Ephraim His firstborn.
In Psalms, the prophesy describes the future Messiah as GOD's firstborn by election.
The LORD Jesus Christ is the firstborn from the dead and the firstborn of the new creation. This has nothing to do with His beginning in time. HE exists eternally.
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3. This spirit has deity for it has the fullness of the father.
Whatever GOD's 'substance' is, Jesus Christ is the same 'substance'.
Deity has no beginning and is uncreated.
Heb 1:3 who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance
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4. This spirit was with God before the creation, creation was done through this spirit.
Do you really not understand, that before the creation there was nothing but that which is uncreated and has no beginning.....GOD.
Jesus Christ is the express image of God aka the image AND likeness of God having the same spirit and soul as God. Therefore when you see Jesus you see the Father
Man having a spirit and soul is simply made in the image of God, but man made in both the image and likeness as stated God in Ge.1;26 is the fulfillment of His plan for man
This is why Jesus is the first-fruit of many to come
I think your part right but on the right track. God is a spirit, so his exact image would be a spirit. I believe that when Jesus was bapitsed this spirit was put into him. That is when Jesus became the Christ with all the power of his father.
Thank you for posting, Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I look at it like this. Jesus is the express image of God so when He sat at His right side and looked over He saw Himself.
No, there is more to it than that. God used Jesus to show who God really is like. You cannot see aspirit but you can see a man. So in this way, God put this spirit into his physical son who was sinless. This spirit is a copy of the father, so if you can see what this spirit is like, you have seen the father.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I think your part right but on the right track. God is a spirit, so his exact image would be a spirit. I believe that when Jesus was bapitsed this spirit was put into him. That is when Jesus became the Christ with all the power of his father.
Thank you for posting, Peace
Again friend let me point you to Luke 2;11
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
It's what we are to become at our resurrection from the dead! On the last day!
John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Joh 11:24 Martha *said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."
We shall all have the express image of God on the last day at our resurrection! Then we shall be like HIM! (Jesus) our brother... the first born from the dead!
Paul
Paul, this express image was created first. God created the world THROUGH this spirit. Because man is created in the image of God is not the same as having the express image of God. Paul tells us that Christ is the image of God. I see Christ the spirit, and Jesus the flesh as two, yet combined at his baptism. I think that Jesus became the Christ then. He had to go into the wilderness for 40 days to get used of this power he was given, then Satan tested him.
The exact image of God is a created godlike creature. A form of God.
I'm glad I got your interest for no one else wishes to do deep into it with me. I hope you will disagree so we can do just that.
Peace brother
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
1. God is a spirit, so his image would be a spirit.
No, GOD is infinite spirit, invisible.... and the point is that the image is the visible revelation of the invisible GOD.
The 'image' is tangeable, visible, the knowable expression of the very essence of GOD.
G5481
image-χαρακτήρ
charaktḗr; gen. charaktḗros, masc. noun from charássō (n.f., see cháragma [G5480]), to carve. Occurs only in Heb_1:3 where it is translated "express image," referring to Jesus Christ. Here He is described as the charaktḗr tḗs hupostáseōs autoú (tē̄́s [G3588], the [gen. fem.]; hupostáseōs [G5287], essence [gen.]; autoú [G846], he [gen. masc.]), "the exact image of His [God's] essence" (a.t.). Whatever the divine essence is, Jesus is said to be its perfect expression. The writer of Hebrews thus sets forth a high Christology affirming the deity of Jesus Christ.-Spiros Zodhiates "Complete Word Study Dictionary"
The point is God is spirit, an exact image would be a spirit. Would you agree to that? Keep in mind that an image is not what it is an image of. An image is a creation.
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The term 'firstborn' naturally means the first one born, but was modified in GOD's election to be a title of rank.
Of Noah's sons, Japheth was the first born, but Shem is mentioned first because he carries the blessing and inheritance.
Of Abraham's sons, Ishmael was born first, but Isaac becomes the 'yachid/only' son.
Of Isaac's sons, Esau is born first, but Jacob gets the blessing and inheritance.
Of Jacob's sons, Reuben is born first, but the King will come from Judah.
Of Joseph's sons, Manassah is born first, but GOD calls Ephraim His firstborn.
In Psalms, the prophesy describes the future Messiah as GOD's firstborn by election.
The LORD Jesus Christ is the firstborn from the dead and the firstborn of the new creation. This has nothing to do with His beginning in time. HE exists eternally.
Yes firstborn can mean first in rank but most usage of the word means first born. In Colossians I think it means BOTH.
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Whatever GOD's 'substance' is, Jesus Christ is the same 'substance'.
Deity has no beginning and is uncreated.
Heb 1:3 who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance
Read your verse again: the very IMAGE of his substance. Again, not the same substance but the image of. God has no limits, he gave deity to his image.
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Do you really not understand, that before the creation there was nothing but that which is uncreated and has no beginning.....GOD.
This Spirit is GOD!
For your consideration friend, God was alone, he created his exact image (Christ, a spirit), He had to be alone at one time, his image came as the first creation, he copied himself. Colossians say the firstborn of all creatures, that is a creation. It also says that the father was pleased that it had his fullness. Why would he tell us that?
Now think about Genesis, who are the we/us in Gen 1? I think God and his IMAGE. (Christ)
Ponder on that and see if you see why I think the way I do.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ
Last edited by keypurr; August 6th, 2012 at 10:18 PM.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God's image is that of perfection which was how he created the first man until sin came in to bring corruption. Christ however did no sin thus, he remained the express image of the creator, a perfect example of what we are supposed to be. That is why He is our guiding light to God the father.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Remember that when this was written this is past tense. But it wuld not matter for Jesus being the Christ was foretold.
Act 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
BR, this proves that he got his power at his Baptism. That is when Jesus was united with the Christ, in my thoughts anyway.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God's image is that of perfection which was how he created the first man until sin came in to bring corruption. Christ however did no sin thus, he remained the express image of the creator, a perfect example of what we are supposed to be. That is why He is our guiding light to God the father.
God created mankind in his image, but not express image. Fact is, God is not a man, God is spirit. But man has some of the thinking qualities of God. He is above the rest of creation.
But the express image of God is a spirit that is a created God. This was God's first creation or firstborn. God used this spirit (Christ) to create the world and everything else. Only Jesus, God's flesh son, was sinless and could hold this God like spirit.
I suggest you study the verses in the OP and see what you come up with. Jesus was a form of God, this theory fits quite well with scripture. I'm open for other suggestions as to what the verses are saying.
I forgot to say welcome to TOL.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Hey, Keypurr, thought I'd drop by and visit your thread.
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Originally Posted by steko
Do you really not understand, that before the creation there was nothing but that which is uncreated and has no beginning.....GOD.
This Spirit is GOD!
Um... actually the Bible does not say this. This is a trinitarian type misconception. The Bible says that in the beginning the earth was without form, and that there were "waters" that the Lord apparently used to form the earth. Genesis 1:2. If trinitarians get such a simple thing wrong, what else do they get wrong?
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August 7th, 2012, 02:26 AM
"...the express image of his person...(Hebrews 1:3).
In this case the writer of Hebrews is expressing Jesus' substantial quality and nature of God. Of God's spirit, but also of His character. When I see Jesus through the gospel I am seeing God. When Jesus speaks to me through His gospel it is actually God speaking to me. "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things" (Hebrews 1:2).
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