Our new birth is the birth of the Son of God into our old human nature, - Theology Online

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. . . . . . . . and our human nature has to be transfigured by the indwelling life of the Son of God.

Charity · August 7th, 2012, 05:30 AM

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. . . . . . . . and our human nature has to be transfigured by the indwelling life of the Son of God.

messy music collection...is you old human Nature part of the soul? thinking; mind heart an soul are different service departments.

fast thinking can be shallow. slow thinking is stable.
verbally selling your soul as if it was never designed to be all you; in short is...the practice of defeating ANOTHER GOD.
many have an are still offering their life purpose as a blind sacrifice to ancient philosophy, spreading Christianity "the Roman Empire" thew out the whole earth, an not so freely!
Owning yourself an taking responsibility for self is a great gift.

Livelystone · August 7th, 2012, 11:30 AM

No, you are given the Holy Spirit to start all over with and not for trying to make the unclean spirit of man become a clean spirit.

The phrase “be born again" means exactly what it says.

Doug

OMEGA · August 7th, 2012, 12:36 PM

CHARITY said,
many have an are still offering their life purpose as a blind sacrifice to ancient philosophy, spreading Christianity "the Roman Empire" thew out the whole earth, an not so freely!
Owning yourself an taking responsibility for self is a great gift.

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Are you typing with your thumbs.

I suggest that you first your reply on in a text file and Edit it before posting.
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Livelystone said what was Right and True.

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Crossreference,

What do you mean : " birth of the Son into "

Cross Reference · August 7th, 2012, 12:44 PM

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CHARITY said,
many have an are still offering their life purpose as a blind sacrifice to ancient philosophy, spreading Christianity "the Roman Empire" thew out the whole earth, an not so freely!
Owning yourself an taking responsibility for self is a great gift.

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Are you typing with your thumbs.

I suggest that you first your reply on in a text file and Edit it before posting.
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Livelystone said what was Right and True.

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Crossreference,

What do you mean : " birth of the Son into "

Are you thinking with your thumbs? LOL!
You mean, "the birth of the Son of God into our nature"?
What do you think it means if not being "born from above" of the very Life of God?

Livelystone · August 7th, 2012, 04:43 PM

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Are you thinking with your thumbs? LOL!
You mean, "the birth of the Son of God into our nature"?
What do you think it means if not being "born from above" of the very Life of God?

CR

There is nothing you can do to the unclean spirit of man that will make it ever fit enough to enter into heaven. The spirit of man is an unclean earthly spirit passed down to us from our earthly fathers. The only spirit that can ever enter into heaven is a spirit that has first come down from our Father in heaven.

Jn.3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Furthermore, the spirit of man can only bring forth the mind of man therefore it cannot produce the necessary mind of Christ. However, the Holy Spirit in us needs the mind of Christ for the two to become come one with that needs to happen before Christ can never be formed in us that IS OUR HIGH CALLING!!!!!.

Doug

Cross Reference · August 7th, 2012, 05:14 PM

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CR

There is nothing you can do to the unclean spirit of man that will make it ever fit enough to enter into heaven. The spirit of man is an unclean earthly spirit passed down to us from our earthly fathers. The only spirit that can ever enter into heaven is a spirit that has first come down from our Father in heaven.

Jn.3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Furthermore, the spirit of man can only bring forth the mind of man therefore it cannot produce the necessary mind of Christ. However, the Holy Spirit in us needs the mind of Christ for the two to become come one with that needs to happen before Christ can never be formed in us that IS OUR HIGH CALLING!!!!!.

Doug

You don't know what you are talking about, Doug. [A better proof reading your post by you might help]

Read the OP again to understand more completely what it is saying and quit wandering all over the place.

. . . . our human nature has to be transfigured by the indwelling life of the Son of God.

The process leading up to our transfiguration is no less that the "working out of our salvation" by the indwelling Life of the Son of God. Here:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20 (KJV)

beloved57 · August 7th, 2012, 05:54 PM

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Our new birth is the birth of the Son of God into our old human nature,

More insane talk !

Bradley D · August 8th, 2012, 01:52 AM

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. . . . . . . . and our human nature has to be transfigured by the indwelling life of the Son of God.

I believe God wants me to reflect His Glory when the unsaved see me. I reflect God's glory best through my everyday life. By not being a hypocrite.

metamorphoó: to transform. We are transformed into the same image (of consummate excellence that shines in Christ), reproduce the same image, 2 Corinthians 3:18.

"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord" (2 Corinthians 3:18).

Cross Reference · August 8th, 2012, 04:12 AM

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I believe God wants me to reflect His Glory when the unsaved see me. I reflect God's glory best through my everyday life. By not being a hypocrite.

What is the will of God, to reflect His Glory or to 'live' His Glory?

themuzicman · August 8th, 2012, 05:43 AM

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. . . . . . . . and our human nature has to be transfigured by the indwelling life of the Son of God.

The son of God was only born once, as part of the incarnation. He doesn't get reborn and reborn and reborn.

Cross Reference · August 8th, 2012, 05:47 AM

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The son of God was only born once, as part of the incarnation. He doesn't get reborn and reborn and reborn.

What then does being born again mean to you if not the very Life of God entering you as it entered the seed of Mary?

themuzicman · August 8th, 2012, 06:00 AM

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What then does being born again mean to you if not the very Life of God entering you as it entered the seed of Mary?

In John 3, Jesus is talking to Nicodemus, a Pharisee who is very much an Israelite. Nicodemus believed that by being born an Israelite and following the law, that he would receive eternal life. The key word there is "being born".

Jesus uses this in saying "you must be born again." This is why Nicodemus asks whether he can be physically reborn by entering his mother's womb.

But Jesus is making an analogy of being born to tell us about election in the New Covenant. So, when Jesus says, "born of the spirit", he's drawing a distinction from the Jewish belief that physical birth would lead to their eternal life.

We have to keep reading in John 3 to find out what this "born of the spirit" means, and it leads us directly to the most famous verse in the bible: John 3:16. And the portion that explains this for us is "whosoever believes in (the Son of God) will not perish, but have eternal life."

Thus, "born again" simply refers to becoming elect as a result of placing one's faith in Christ, which Jesus is contrasting with the Jewish belief that election came through physical birth.

Cross Reference · August 8th, 2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by themuzicman

In John 3, Jesus is talking to Nicodemus, a Pharisee who is very much an Israelite. Nicodemus believed that by being born an Israelite and following the law, that he would receive eternal life. The key word there is "being born".

Jesus uses this in saying "you must be born again." This is why Nicodemus asks whether he can be physically reborn by entering his mother's womb.

But Jesus is making an analogy of being born to tell us about election in the New Covenant. So, when Jesus says, "born of the spirit", he's drawing a distinction from the Jewish belief that physical birth would lead to their eternal life.

We have to keep reading in John 3 to find out what this "born of the spirit" means, and it leads us directly to the most famous verse in the bible: John 3:16. And the portion that explains this for us is "whosoever believes in (the Son of God) will not perish, but have eternal life."

Thus, "born again" simply refers to becoming elect as a result of placing one's faith in Christ, which Jesus is contrasting with the Jewish belief that election came through physical birth.

But it still carries with it the fact of Spiritual birth, doesn't it? __ Something that was not possible until after the Glorification of Jesus, correct? What is that "Spiritual" birth Jesus declared man must have? When was the first event of such a happening?

themuzicman · August 8th, 2012, 08:06 AM

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But it still carries with it the fact of Spiritual birth, doesn't it? __ Something that was not possible until after the Glorification of Jesus, correct? What is that "Spiritual" birth Jesus declared man must have? When was the first event of such a happening?

The idea of spiritual birth, or being born again from John 3 is only to create a contrast to physical birth, which was election to the Israelites. The "birth" is simply the means to receiving eternal life. In this case, believing in Christ. There isn't anything "literal" about a spiritual birth.

Salvation was certainly possible before the salvation of Christ, but those who died "not having received the promises" (Heb 11) were simply looking forward to Christ in faith. What happened when Christ died and was resurrected is that God's wrath was propitiated. Justification came to all men, and all who had believed and would believe would receive it. That's the change that came.

And now, because Christ has come and declared Himself to be God and died and was resurrected, we place our faith more specifically in Christ for resurrection and eternal life.

So, faith has been happening since Adam and Eve. Justification came to all when Christ died and was resurrected, and those who died believing before Christ received justification at that time.