If it works for Canada, why can it not work for America?
You assume the US is like Canada, which is totally wrong!
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Most of 33 million Canadians go unarmed - why aren't we all dead yet from not being able to defend ourselves? Don't say it's because everyone doesn't have to worry about the other 32 999 999 gunless Canadians....
Did Canada ever have a revolution? Canada is akin to Briton, other than Quebec, far more than akin to the US. Do you think the US is more like Canada, than Mexico?
Your laws have nothing to do with the US, anymore than they have to do with Brazil, or any other country, in the "new world'.
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August 10th, 2012, 10:15 PM
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Canada–United States border
The Canada–United States border, officially known as the International Boundary, is the longest international border in the world shared between the same pair of countries. The terrestrial boundary (including small portions of maritime boundaries on the Atlantic, Pacific, and Arctic coasts, as well as the Great Lakes) is 8,891 kilometres (5,525 mi) long, including 2,475 kilometres (1,538 mi) shared with Alaska. It is Canada's only land border.
Name one American city with the population of Windsor (300 000+) that hasn't experienced a homicide in 26 months?
Maybe it has to do with where you live, if it's not raining, it's snowing, or you're in the dark, or the fact you have such a rate of smog and the wind is always blowing you don't have the energy to commit crimes, you're barely breathing.
My friend - you live in hell, you're already dead and you don't even know it.
One has to be seriously Pinheaded & newsless to Espouse & affirm OT Nonsensical tommyrot!
What other countries don't seem to get is that it isn't the GUNS that cause crime in the U.S.
It's the culture which glorifies violence and aggression, and trusting oneself to enforce the "law" FIRST, rather than trust the government or police, which have been both portrayed and proven corrupt at one time or another.
There is a masculine association with power and self-sufficiency attached to gun ownership in the United States as well.
Watch any American action movie starring a male ever.
He is attractive (at least to the female characters), he is self-sufficient, and if he's not packing an arsenal he can at least handle himself with any gun which comes to hand.
Personally, I'm a gun enthusiast (especially as a history buff) who is in favor of more education for the public first and foremost in order to in some way counteract the masculine stereotype, even as I recognize that too much money is made off the stereotype to truly dissolve it completely (god forbid parents step in to teach their kids fact from fantasy).
I'm also in favor of some limitation on private gun ownership, if only to allow law enforcement to maintain oversight without being forced to become paramilitary.
Even regional cultural expectations can play into gun violence.
Richard Nisbett, a social psychologist at the University of Michigan, wrote about the problem of high incidences of violence in the gun rich South in his "Violence and Regional Culture". He attributed the elevation to our "culture of honor" wherein residents of our region place a high premium on family name and personal honor and respond much more strongly than other regions tend to their impugning. I've noticed that in my interactions here a not infrequent careless indifference regarding remarks that go to personal honor from many who don't share my heritage. I suspect most of the Southerners here had a period of acclimation on the point. Not to say that everyone here who isn't a Southerner shares that, to our mind, unfortunate trait.
I'd add that the South has a great deal of poverty and a climate that can incite violence, especially in August.
For me it boils down to the fact that I am incredibly effective with a gun. While I am also very effecitve in hand to hand, it is a gamble when you are in a scuffle. Someone could pull a knife and its alot harder to disarm them. Also non fire arm conflict is long and drawn out and has a much higher likely hood of getting life altering injuries.
In short I have to get alot more skin in the game if I dont have a gun, the hand to hand skills that I have are designed to get someone off me long enough to draw and fire a weapon, then the threat is over. If its only hand to hand and I get stabbed then they can get to my wife. Also physical size and stamina plays into a hand to hand scuffle.
Even if the other guy has a gun he better be trained and good at using it because I am at using mine and any other physical atribute that he has is irrelavent in a gun fight.
Also having a gun and knowing how to use it is a good way to escalate violence so that other people know that things just got real. When the stakes are high, then they might think twice about wanting to rape your wife or steal your stuff.
See my other post about swat teams and arresting officers. If you can single handedly make the stakes REALLY high for someone else then it alters behavior. Lets say that that some minorities raped my wife and stole my stuff and I went on a rampage and killed like 50 gang bangers .... but I also had a nuclear weapon, the swat team might decide that its not worth doing a raid, but if im just some schmoe they will go in with the attitude that they are going to take me down in time to have dinner with their families, once society has taken away that warm fuzzy feeling from law enforcement you will see alot less bogus things get enforced and you will see law enforcement push back on law makers when they see a bogus law in the pipe as they know that they will face certian death if they try to enforce it.
That is what made us so great in the revolutionary war, we made the stakes higher than the british wanted to pay. Civil compliance for a cheap price results in tyrany. High arrest records for bogus things should come with a HIGH price. The problem is the USA is docile and thoes that would make law enforcement pay for their sins are in the vast minority.
Even regional cultural expectations can play into gun violence.
Richard Nisbett, a social psychologist at the University of Michigan, wrote about the problem of high incidences of violence in the gun rich South in his "Violence and Regional Culture". He attributed the elevation to our "culture of honor" wherein residents of our region place a high premium on family name and personal honor and respond much more strongly than other regions to their impugning. I've noticed that in my interactions here, the laxity, careless indifference regarding remarks that go to personal honor from many who don't share my heritage. I suspect most of the Southerners here had a period of acclimation on the point. Not to say that everyone here who isn't a Southerner shares that, to our mind, unfortunate trait.
I'd add that the South has a great deal of poverty and a climate that can incite violence, especially in August.
Yeah, I'd recently been reading Nisbett's thoughts on gun violence, including his thoughts on "culture of honor."
I think that the way we often interpret and embrace our individual freedoms and our personal independence in the US has a real dark side.
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Yeah, I'd recently been reading Nisbett's thoughts on gun violence, including his thoughts on "culture of honor."
I think that the way we often interpret and embrace our individual freedoms and our personal independence in the US has a real dark side.
I agree. We see the up and down of that in sharper relief here. It's a dangerously mixed bag. No accident that the South is disproportionately represented in the U.S. military.
Even regional cultural expectations can play into gun violence.
Richard Nisbett, a social psychologist at the University of Michigan, wrote about the problem of high incidences of violence in the gun rich South in his "Violence and Regional Culture". He attributed the elevation to our "culture of honor" wherein residents of our region place a high premium on family name and personal honor and respond much more strongly than other regions tend to their impugning. I've noticed that in my interactions here a not infrequent careless indifference regarding remarks that go to personal honor from many who don't share my heritage. I suspect most of the Southerners here had a period of acclimation on the point. Not to say that everyone here who isn't a Southerner shares that, to our mind, unfortunate trait.
I'd add that the South has a great deal of poverty and a climate that can incite violence, especially in August.
Thats because its the govts goal to make us into an anonomus society, much easier for a swat team to take down one nut than a family. A family can ensure conseqeunces on thoes that threaten it where as if your just one dude and your in hand cuffs then thats it.
Outright lie, guns are by a factor of five the biggest murder weapon in the USA, they account for 68% of all homicides.
Post reliable stats to back up your claim, or take it back.;
Why do Christians feel the need to lie to try to justify there right to carry guns ?
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You do realize that guns are not the only weapons in existence, right? In fact, the objects used in most homicides in the US aren't even classified as weapons and anyone can buy them.
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August 11th, 2012, 05:19 AM
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I'd add that the South has a great deal of poverty and a climate that can incite violence, especially in August.
Hey, I remember picking cotton in the summer...err uh...OK so it's been 53 years..I can still remember August!
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Outright lie, guns are by a factor of five the biggest murder weapon in the USA, they account for 68% of all homicides.
Post reliable stats to back up your claim, or take it back.;
Why do Christians feel the need to lie to try to justify there right to carry guns ?
I'll wait for you to prove your stats are reliable.
I won't wait for you to support your attack on Christians, though; seeing as how it's disingenuous, petty and has absolutely nothing to do with where I got my information.
"How often firearms were used in crimes: in 67.5 percent of reported murders, 41.4 percent of reported robberies, and 20.6 percent of aggravated assaults"
Now, how many of those firearms were legally obtained?
Banning firearms is not the answer to reducing crime. Criminals will always find a way to illegally purchase firearms. In the meantime, while you debate my right to legally own a gun(s), I'll be researching my next purchase! One for my wife so she can conceal it on her person and purse.
"How often firearms were used in crimes: in 67.5 percent of reported murders, 41.4 percent of reported robberies, and 20.6 percent of aggravated assaults"
Now, how many of those firearms were legally obtained?
Banning firearms is not the answer to reducing crime. Criminals will always find a way to illegally purchase firearms. In the meantime, while you debate my right to legally own a gun(s), I'll be researching my next purchase! One for my wife so she can conceal it on her person and purse.
Reported murders?
Also, your link isn't to a page on murders committed with a gun.
believe it!
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