[Colossians]

Jesus Christ said the following:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

It is a pity that those who know that Christ is God, also haven't noticed the implications in these words of Jesus.

Jesus, being the Second Person of God, is necessarily 'part' of this God who is a spirit.

So it is not the case that the Father and the Holy Spirit are spirits, and Jesus out on His own as a man who merely contains a spirit. No rather, the three of them are (three individual) spirits, and yet at the same time one spirit only: the three are one and the one is three.

So Jesus Christ is now as He was before He came to earth: He is eternally a spirit. He doesn't have flesh and bone anymore, nor a penis, nor lungs, nor hair, nor arms and legs: He is the eternal creator Spirit. He is neither male nor female.

And this is in fact why He can always here you in prayer, and moreover, why He knows everything you even think or do. He doesn't just get His information passed on to Him second hand: He Himself knows everything.

So He doesn't stand or sit, He doesn't breathe, He doesn't walk or talk, He doesn't take time to do anything (for there is no time in the spirit realm). In fact, He actually doesn't even do anything. He just is.

Thus: "Before Abraham was, I am".

And we all exist inside Him:

"In Him we live and move and have our being".

So at present most of the visitors to this site will have witnessed a lot of what we call "baby Christians" who think in terms of corporeality. But God is not corporeal and so has no physical shape or dimension.

Thus James says of God: "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning".

Heaven is not anywhere: it is the presence of God. And hell is also not anywhere: it is also the presence of God.

For those who know Him, His unmitigated presence will be heaven.

For those who do not know Him, His unmitigated presence will be hell. Thus:

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb" Rev 14:9,10

But the main point of this thread is that all of God is a spirit, and that therefore Jesus is a spirit.

Young Christians think of God the Father as an old man with a long beard, sitting on a chair in heaven, and Jesus as a younger man sitting beside Him on a chair also: they think of heaven as a sort of fairy tale.

That's ok for a while, but they need to grow up. They need to put away childish things.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Colossians

Jesus Christ said the following:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

It is a pity that those who know that Christ is God, also haven't noticed the implications in these words of Jesus.

Jesus, being the Second Person of God, is necessarily 'part' of this God who is a spirit.

So it is not the case that the Father and the Holy Spirit are spirits, and Jesus out on His own as a man who merely contains a spirit. No rather, the three of them are (three individual) spirits, and yet at the same time one spirit only: the three are one and the one is three.

So Jesus Christ is now as He was before He came to earth: He is eternally a spirit. He doesn't have flesh and bone anymore, nor a penis, nor lungs, nor hair, nor arms and legs: He is the eternal creator Spirit. He is neither male nor female.

And this is in fact why He can always here you in prayer, and moreover, why He knows everything you even think or do. He doesn't just get His info passed on to Him second hand: He Himself knows everything.

So He doesn't stand or sit, He doesn't breathe, He doesn't walk or talk, He doesn't take time to do anything (for there is no time in the spirit realm). In fact, He actually doesn't even do anything. He just is.

Thus: "Before Abraham was, I am".

And we all exist inside Him:

"In Him we live and move and have our being".

So at present most of the visitors to this site will have witnessed a lot of what we call "baby Christians" who think in terms of corporeality. But God is not corporeal and so has no physical shape or dimension.

Thus James says of God: "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning".

Heaven is not anywhere: it is the presence of God. And hell is also not anywhere: it is also the presence of God.

For those who know Him, His unmitigated presence will be heaven.

For those who do not know Him, His unmitigated presence will be hell. Thus:

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb" Rev 14:9,10

But the main point of this thread is that all of God is a spirit, and that therefore Jesus is a spirit.

Young Christians think of God the Father as an old man with a long beard, sitting on a chair in heaven, and Jesus as a younger man sitting beside Him on a chair also: they think of heaven as a sort of fairy tale.

That's ok for a while, but they need to grow up. They need to put away childish things.

So you say the resurrected saints will be everywhere yet nowhere and do nothing.

That just about sums up your theology.

LA

[Colossians]

Rather, you show that you are unspiritual: your mind is carnal.

You speak of Jesus, yet you actually don't know Him. In this regard, you'd be better off playing golf than spending your time on a theology forum: your Mormonism is simply man's fairytale version of God: it is not the real deal.

All non-believers can envisage a god like the god of the Mormons: it doens't take spirituality, just a bit of sci-fi and fairytale imagination. So it is no credit to you that you think as you do, for most people think as you do. The fact that you attach a bible to your thinking and institutionalise yourselves, doesn't make you spiritual: it just makes you more silly than the average non-believer, for at least the average non-believer is pursuing carnal pleasures, but you are denying yourselves carnal pleasures and yet receiving nothing spiritual in return. Poor things.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Colossians

Rather, you show that you are unspiritual.

You believe in no coming Kingdom of God on earth, that Jesus has gone back to being a spirit, that there is no place called Heaven out past the furtherst stars where Christ ascended to.

Just like all spiritualists you fashion your beliefs according to your own liking.

LA

[Colossians]

You believe .., that Jesus has gone back to being a spirit
Oh so you agree Jesus was a spirit before He came to earth?

[OMEGA]

Rev 4:3 shows what God the Father looks like.

Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Colossians

Rather, you show that you are unspiritual: your mind is carnal.

You speak of Jesus, yet you actually don't know Him. In this regard, you'd be better off playing golf than spending your time on a theology forum: your Mormonism is simply man's fairytale version of God: it is not the real deal.

All non-believers can envisage a god like the god of the Mormons: it doens't take spirituality, just a bit of sci-fi and fairytale imagination. So it is no credit to you that you think as you do, for most people think as you do. The fact that you attach a bible to your thinking and institutionalise yourselves, doesn't make you spiritual: it just makes you more silly than the average non-believer, for at least the average non-believer is pursuing carnal pleasures, but you are denying yourselves carnal pleasures and yet receiving nothing spiritual in return. Poor things.

I has corrected you on more than one occassion that I am not a Morman and have never been so.

You prefer to lie than give a defence to your spiritualism.

It is you who exercises your canal mind in removing the man Jesus from His resurrected body and denying the record that God has given of His son.

LA

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Colossians

You believe .., that Jesus has gone back to being a spirit
Oh so you agree Jesus was a spirit before He came to earth?

No.

That is your belief,

You can not even read right.

LA

[Colossians]

It is you who needs the remedial English.

In your declaring that I believe He has "gone back to being a spirit", you necessarily posit a belief on your part that He was once a spirit before He came to earth.

So you are uneducated.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Colossians

It is you who needs the remedial English.

In your declaring that I believe He has "gone back to being a spirit", you necessarily posit a belief on your part that He was once a spirit before He came to earth.

So you are uneducated.

At least I am a believer in the resurrected Jesus of Nazereth, who is Gods son the Messiah and will have a glorious body like His.

LA

[Colossians]

You're are manipulative chappy aren't you!

Whenever you are defeated on a point, you simply write about something else.

I showed you at post 9 that in your saying that I believe Christ has gone back to being a spirit, you necessarily implied that you believed He was a spirit before He came to earth.

So what do you then do? Do you acknowledge your logic error? No. You switch subjects to the resurrection.

So you were caught out: you are shown to believe that Christ was a spirit before He came to earth. So we'll pocket that one: from now on I will declare that you believe Christ was a spirit before He came to earth, and I will not allow you to back out of it.

[oatmeal]

Originally Posted by Colossians

Jesus Christ said the following:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

It is a pity that those who know that Christ is God, also haven't noticed the implications in these words of Jesus.

Jesus, being the Second Person of God, is necessarily 'part' of this God who is a spirit.

So it is not the case that the Father and the Holy Spirit are spirits, and Jesus out on His own as a man who merely contains a spirit. No rather, the three of them are (three individual) spirits, and yet at the same time one spirit only: the three are one and the one is three.

So Jesus Christ is now as He was before He came to earth: He is eternally a spirit. He doesn't have flesh and bone anymore, nor a penis, nor lungs, nor hair, nor arms and legs: He is the eternal creator Spirit. He is neither male nor female.

And this is in fact why He can always here you in prayer, and moreover, why He knows everything you even think or do. He doesn't just get His information passed on to Him second hand: He Himself knows everything.

So He doesn't stand or sit, He doesn't breathe, He doesn't walk or talk, He doesn't take time to do anything (for there is no time in the spirit realm). In fact, He actually doesn't even do anything. He just is.

Thus: "Before Abraham was, I am".

And we all exist inside Him:

"In Him we live and move and have our being".

So at present most of the visitors to this site will have witnessed a lot of what we call "baby Christians" who think in terms of corporeality. But God is not corporeal and so has no physical shape or dimension.

Thus James says of God: "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning".

Heaven is not anywhere: it is the presence of God. And hell is also not anywhere: it is also the presence of God.

For those who know Him, His unmitigated presence will be heaven.

For those who do not know Him, His unmitigated presence will be hell. Thus:

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb" Rev 14:9,10

But the main point of this thread is that all of God is a spirit, and that therefore Jesus is a spirit.

Young Christians think of God the Father as an old man with a long beard, sitting on a chair in heaven, and Jesus as a younger man sitting beside Him on a chair also: they think of heaven as a sort of fairy tale.

That's ok for a while, but they need to grow up. They need to put away childish things.

Please read the following:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

Note that Jesus Christ says worship HIM.

He did not say worship ME.

When you realize what that implies, then you will learned something.

oatmeal

[steko]

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The LORD's Spirit did not die and could not die, yet He says that He was dead, which signifies His body. His body died for sure. Now He says that He is alive forever more, signifying that His body is now alive and will continue forever.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by steko

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The LORD's Spirit did not die and could not die, yet He says that He was dead, which signifies His body. His body died for sure. Now He says that He is alive forever more, signifying that His body is now alive and will continue forever.

So you say Jesus did not die, only his body did.

LA

[john w]

Originally Posted by Colossians

Jesus Christ said the following:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

It is a pity that those who know that Christ is God, also haven't noticed the implications in these words of Jesus.

Jesus, being the Second Person of God, is necessarily 'part' of this God who is a spirit.

So it is not the case that the Father and the Holy Spirit are spirits, and Jesus out on His own as a man who merely contains a spirit. No rather, the three of them are (three individual) spirits, and yet at the same time one spirit only: the three are one and the one is three.

So Jesus Christ is now as He was before He came to earth: He is eternally a spirit. He doesn't have flesh and bone anymore, nor a penis, nor lungs, nor hair, nor arms and legs: He is the eternal creator Spirit. He is neither male nor female.

And this is in fact why He can always here you in prayer, and moreover, why He knows everything you even think or do. He doesn't just get His information passed on to Him second hand: He Himself knows everything.

So He doesn't stand or sit, He doesn't breathe, He doesn't walk or talk, He doesn't take time to do anything (for there is no time in the spirit realm). In fact, He actually doesn't even do anything. He just is.

Thus: "Before Abraham was, I am".

And we all exist inside Him:

"In Him we live and move and have our being".

So at present most of the visitors to this site will have witnessed a lot of what we call "baby Christians" who think in terms of corporeality. But God is not corporeal and so has no physical shape or dimension.

Thus James says of God: "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning".

Heaven is not anywhere: it is the presence of God. And hell is also not anywhere: it is also the presence of God.

For those who know Him, His unmitigated presence will be heaven.

For those who do not know Him, His unmitigated presence will be hell. Thus:

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb" Rev 14:9,10

But the main point of this thread is that all of God is a spirit, and that therefore Jesus is a spirit.

Young Christians think of God the Father as an old man with a long beard, sitting on a chair in heaven, and Jesus as a younger man sitting beside Him on a chair also: they think of heaven as a sort of fairy tale.

That's ok for a while, but they need to grow up. They need to put away childish things.

"Jesus Christ said the following:..."-Col. Klink

And from what source authority do you judge He actually said that?


vs.

"But we need you to show us proof that the bible is written by God. So show us."-Col. Klink


All of your citations from "the bible" are therefore "dismissed," Col. Klink, per your own "argument."


And, it is not possible to prove that the Lord Jesus Christ is "Spirit" only- For no-one alive today was there to witness.


Correct?