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August 15th, 2012, 11:08 AM
Do you really believe everyone should have the right to believe in God, no God or be a skeptic? If so, what type of governmental regulation of society would you oppose or support?
One of the more obvious areas is, of course, ACW's desire to criminalize homosexuality. But there are far more issues of a more subtle nature such as banning certain books from schools and controlling the internet.
I have watched Atheism grow markedly over the last few decades. If they become the majority are you willing to abide by legislation which removes religious exemptions from property taxes?
Do you really believe everyone should have the right to believe in God, no God or be a skeptic?
YES.... any other view is unamerican and unpatriotic and runs counter to what the founding fathers initially wanted. the first amendment that we have is an edited version that originally included the phrase "freedom for religion; freedom from religion".
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If so, what type of governmental regulation of society would you oppose or support?
the gov't shouldn't regulate society at all, but merely protect those that are being harmed by others.
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One of the more obvious areas is, of course, ACW's desire to criminalize homosexuality.
ACW wants to rebuild America in his own image and become the Christian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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But there are far more issues of a more subtle nature such as banning certain books from schools and controlling the internet.
yeah, i think thats a GREAT idea.....then we can become a territory of the peoples republic of China
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I have watched Atheism grow markedly over the last few decades. If they become the majority are you willing to abide by legislation which removes religious exemptions from property taxes?
such exemptions shouldn't even exist in the first place so i would fully support it.
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It is all so confusing.
i think it's rather clear myself.....live your life the way you choose and let the jones's take care of the jones's.
Orthodoxy is just the Tyranny of the Majority, a Spiritual Despotism where accepted doctrine is Sacred, Untouchable self-evident truth no matter how absurd it may be.
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August 15th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Do you really believe everyone should have the right to believe in God, no God or be a skeptic? If so, what type of governmental regulation of society would you oppose or support?
One of the more obvious areas is, of course, ACW's desire to criminalize homosexuality. But there are far more issues of a more subtle nature such as banning certain books from schools and controlling the internet.
I have watched Atheism grow markedly over the last few decades. If they become the majority are you willing to abide by legislation which removes religious exemptions from property taxes?
It is all so confusing.
Religious properties should NEVER have been exempted in the first place... as a matter of fact, a true church would never even think of taking such an exemption.
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August 15th, 2012, 10:29 PM
I support religious freedom, but religion should have zero place in politics (and therefore government). Religion and belief are personal things. Politics and govvernment are about our society. The two have nothing to do with each other.
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August 16th, 2012, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Layla
I support religious freedom, but religion should have zero place in politics (and therefore government). Religion and belief are personal things. Politics and govvernment are about our society. The two have nothing to do with each other.
I vote my God-given conscience which is against abortion. Therefore I disagree that my beliefs and my politics "have nothing to do with each other."
I vote my God-given conscience which is against abortion. Therefore I disagree that my beliefs and my politics "have nothing to do with each other."
You don't have to be religious to be against abortion.
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August 16th, 2012, 02:18 AM
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I vote my God-given conscience which is against abortion. Therefore I disagree that my beliefs and my politics "have nothing to do with each other."
What zoo said. Your stance on abortion may be based on principles rooted in your religion, but they're principles that can be understood and argued just as well without God in the mix. Non-Christians have moral frameworks too, buddy.
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August 16th, 2012, 03:40 AM
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You don't have to be religious to be against abortion.
Then it's irrelevant whether one is against abortion on religious grounds or not.
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What zoo said. Your stance on abortion may be based on principles rooted in your religion, but they're principles that can be understood and argued just as well without God in the mix. Non-Christians have moral frameworks too, buddy.
Then it doesn't matter whether those principles are based on religion or not.
Then it's irrelevant whether one is against abortion on religious grounds or not.
I think that's what I was saying.
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
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That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
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Think you're out of line
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August 16th, 2012, 10:47 PM
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What zoo said. Your stance on abortion may be based on principles rooted in your religion, but they're principles that can be understood and argued just as well without God in the mix. Non-Christians have moral frameworks too, buddy.
I did not say non-Christians did not have moral frameworks (although I believe those to be from a God given conscience). However, I consider my abortion principles to be primarily "rooted" in my religion.
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August 17th, 2012, 01:53 PM
Let me try explaining another way.
Abortion. You think it's wrong. You want to convince others that it is wrong so it may be made illegal. You have two choices...
Tell them that it is wrong because God says so; because the little baby is God's creature and it is a sin to kill it. People may argue that the growing foetus is not yet a baby, but you will claim that it is a human child from the moment of conception, when it's soul is born. This argument is unlikely to work on anybody who isn't religious... so, the only people you could ever convince are those who already agree with you.
The other option is to argue based on reason, logic, and societal principles. We have established in society that killing (excluding a number of circumstances such a in war, self defense, etc) is wrong. So we already have that there. You'll again be told that the foetus is not a baby yet, but a clump of cells. If, instead of arguing a soul, you argue risk, you stand a much better chance... where is the line? When does it become a baby? How can we be sure? Is it with the heartbeat? Brain development? Is it worth the risk of killing a child if we draw this line in the wrong place?
With the latter course, you have a line of dialogue. With the former, you will be dismissed by anyone who doesn't already share your views. Do you see at all why religion is better left outside of politics? It matters not where your morals are rooted, but if they can be made to stand alone you may convince others with different moral roots. Do you understand?
I support religious freedom, but religion should have zero place in politics (and therefore government). Religion and belief are personal things. Politics and govvernment are about our society. The two have nothing to do with each other.
As long as religious people can vote and hold positions of leadership in government, religion will have a place in politics. If the religion is you claim is something you turn off when it comes to decisions you make involving others, than it is hardly a religion at all! That being said, their is something compelling to the Christian about taking an apolitical stance once you understand that you can not legislate the hearts of others--thinking of Tolstoy here... "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself."
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