[Saved.One.by.Grace]

Our thoughts can be traced to electrical impulses in certain areas of the brain. As an example, I've developed epilepsy over the last two years that triggers my sense of smell. I smell things (indescribable, breathtaking things) during a seizure. That is my only symptom -- no convulsions or anything else. It is localized to one small area of my brain. So I take medicine as a preventative and hopefully keep it from spreading elsewhere. The medicine appears to be working. But where is the spirit and how is it connected to our brain activity?

Science has mapped the brain and probably sometime in the future, scientists will know exactly what you're thinking by analyzing a brain scan in real time. But what about the human spirit? Is our spirit in a different dimension? How is it affected by brain, or how is the brain affected by our spirit? Thoughts anyone? I am assuming spirit and soul are interchangeable terms. If someone disagrees, we can discuss that too.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Saved.One.by.Grace

Our thoughts can be traced to electrical impulses in certain areas of the brain. As an example, I've developed epilepsy over the last two years that triggers my sense of smell. I smell things (indescribable, breathtaking things) during a seizure. That is my only symptom -- no convulsions or anything else. It is localized to one small area of my brain. So I take medicine as a preventative and hopefully keep it from spreading elsewhere. The medicine appears to be working. But where is the spirit and how is it connected to our brain activity?

Science has mapped the brain and probably sometime in the future, scientists will know exactly what you're thinking by analyzing a brain scan in real time. But what about the human spirit? Is our spirit in a different dimension? How is it affected by brain, or how is the brain affected by our spirit? Thoughts anyone? I am assuming spirit and soul are interchangeable terms. If someone disagrees, we can discuss that too.

Spirit is not the same as soul.

God gave man spirit and he began to live (soul)

The spirit of man is passed on from man to man in the fertilized egg.

Spirit is the unseen force which gives its nature to what a man is.

Scientists will never discover the spirit except by its effects.

The brain is made of flesh and blood and works using electro magnetism and chemistry but the spirit of man is behind those workings in the unseen.

We do not really know what our own life is.

LA

[ttruscott]

Spirits are the individuals created in the image of GOD and humans are sinful spirits, both non-elect and sinful elect who came to earth to live in a body. Except Christ of course for those whose fingers are twitching to quibble...

That's it, the rest is details,

Peace, Ted

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon

Spirit is not the same as soul.

God gave man spirit and he began to live (soul)

The spirit of man is passed on from man to man in the fertilized egg.

Spirit is the unseen force which gives its nature to what a man is.

Scientists will never discover the spirit except by its effects.

The brain is made of flesh and blood and works using electro magnetism and chemistry but the spirit of man is behind those workings in the unseen.

We do not really know what our own life is.

LA

Scientific experiments done with people dying shows a loss of weight equal to about 21 grams. Does our spirit weigh 21 grams or is that the weight of our soul. If soul and spirit are not interchangeable terms, how do you separate or classify the two. Is the 21 gram loss the weight of both or neither?

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

Originally Posted by ttruscott

Spirits are the individuals created in the image of GOD and humans are sinful spirits, both non-elect and sinful elect who came to earth to live in a body. Except Christ of course for those whose fingers are twitching to quibble...

That's it, the rest is details,

Peace, Ted

The Bible talks about living souls, but it also talks about our spirits. For example, we (the elect) will have spirit bodies in the New Heaven and New Earth with Jesus as king. Our bodies here are flesh and bone. We have a physical brain controlled by electrical impulses. I was made to smell things in a doctor's office that were not there from a visual strobe light.

Angels are spirit beings, at least I think they are. We are made a bit lower than the angels. Do they have souls too?

[Livelystone]

Spirit and soul are not the easiest subjects to define. To try to simplify it I would use 5 people who all have the same spirit of man that is the source of life within them, yet they all have different souls, and the soul is the persona of each person.

Now if you take any one of these 5 people and add the Holy Spirit to the mix, you have your typical Christian baptized in the Holy Spirit, but does not yet have the mind of Christ that is found in the soul of Jesus Christ who was the soul of God manifested in human flesh.

[Saved.One.by.Grace]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Spirit and soul are not the easiest subjects to define. To try to simplify it I would use 5 people who all have the same spirit of man that is the source of life within them, yet they all have different souls, and the soul is the persona of each person.

Now if you take any one of these 5 people and add the Holy Spirit to the mix, you have your typical Christian baptized in the Holy Spirit, but does not yet have the mind of Christ that is found in the soul of Jesus Christ who was the soul of God manifested in human flesh.

Your conscious is roughly equivalent to your mind. How is soul and spirit related to these? To take this another step so you know where I'm heading with these questions, we know from the Bible that we will have spirit bodies in the afterlife. So how much of what makes us who we are will we retain? I'm fairly certain that my parents will not be in Heaven. I will miss my earthly father, my earthly mother, not so much. I will miss my dogs, other pets and scores of people I've met in this life. But what of people who truly loved a lost soul? Will being with Jesus and the joy of the Holy Spirit be enough to help us forget? Or will our sins committed on Earth be completely wiped away so we won't remember them? But that seems to take away from the glory that God deserves. This is a difficult subject I do not have answers for, by I trust in the Lord that He take care of it. Will you and I know each other and remember this conversation on the other side of life?

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by Saved.One.by.Grace

Our thoughts can be traced to electrical impulses in certain areas of the brain. As an example, I've developed epilepsy over the last two years that triggers my sense of smell. I smell things (indescribable, breathtaking things) during a seizure. That is my only symptom -- no convulsions or anything else. It is localized to one small area of my brain. So I take medicine as a preventative and hopefully keep it from spreading elsewhere. The medicine appears to be working. But where is the spirit and how is it connected to our brain activity?

Science has mapped the brain and probably sometime in the future, scientists will know exactly what you're thinking by analyzing a brain scan in real time. But what about the human spirit? Is our spirit in a different dimension? How is it affected by brain, or how is the brain affected by our spirit? Thoughts anyone? I am assuming spirit and soul are interchangeable terms. If someone disagrees, we can discuss that too.

There is no such thing as a / the human spirit!! - There are only two basic Spirits: the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan. Every thinking person thinks either on the thoughts of the Spirit of God, or thinks on the thoughts of the spirit of Satan. How can any of you drum up any other ( source ) of thought or thinking which is the spirit of man or the Christian???

Paul – 081712

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Saved.One.by.Grace

Your conscious is roughly equivalent to your mind. How is soul and spirit related to these? To take this another step so you know where I'm heading with these questions, we know from the Bible that we will have spirit bodies in the afterlife. So how much of what makes us who we are will we retain? I'm fairly certain that my parents will not be in Heaven. I will miss my earthly father, my earthly mother, not so much. I will miss my dogs, other pets and scores of people I've met in this life. But what of people who truly loved a lost soul? Will being with Jesus and the joy of the Holy Spirit be enough to help us forget? Or will our sins committed on Earth be completely wiped away so we won't remember them? But that seems to take away from the glory that God deserves. This is a difficult subject I do not have answers for, by I trust in the Lord that He take care of it. Will you and I know each other and remember this conversation on the other side of life?

I agree with you and in the resurrection that follows this life we will not have physical bodies. In regard to a lot of your questions I have no answers, but based on my experience from when after being declared dead in a car accident and attending the resurrection of the dead, I can say for certain that I agree with the apostle Paul when he said “whether in the body or out of the body I could not tell” because either could I. In other words it felt completely normal.

Being as I was expecting some pretty harsh judgment I can't say that I remembered any conversations that I've ever had with anyone, but I was very aware of the fact that it was too late to make any changes for those things that I knew I should never have done.

I have read some accounts of people who said they've been to heaven and back as well as some who have been to hell and back, and let's just say I am not completely assured that what they saw was the real thing. If my experience was not recorded exactly in the scriptures I would have doubts of it as well

Also, I believe in the power of God to resurrect all people for judgment for better or for worse, but "worse,” is not a sentence without an end to it. First we have to understand that the words used for eternal and eternity ONLY signify the fulfillment of an age a.k.a. a dispensation of a sentence that will be fulfilled to the uttermost. Jesus agrees with me in the following verses.

Matt.5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing

Also there is the fact that unless death was prescribed there was never an unending sentence prescribed in any of God's judgmental decrees, and when there was physical punishment the amount of lashes was under no circumstances ever to exceed 40.

I believe both heaven and hell are taught incorrectly and have a number of verses and well supported reasons to believe so, but now is not the time for that discussion.

If you would like to read my testimony of being called up to heaven after being declared dead, here is a link where a Google preview of my book shows up. Once you click on the Google preview button it appears in the first 5 pages or so.

http://www.bookdepository.com/Modern.../9781457502941

Blessings

Doug

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

There is no such thing as a / the human spirit!! - There are only two basic Spirits: the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan. Every thinking person thinks either on the thoughts of the Spirit of God, or thinks on the thoughts of the spirit of Satan. How can any of you drum up any other ( source ) of thought or thinking which is the spirit of man or the Christian???

Paul – 081712

Every person has the "spirit of man” within them.

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Doug

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Every person has the "spirit of man” within them.

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Doug

And just where do you guess man gets his spirit / thinking???? – He gets it from the teaching of fools that are ( for ) the devil; - that’s where. - It’s all ( one spirit / one thought ), the same as in God, we are all of ((( One Spirit / One Thought ))) and that Spirit is God. - God is the Thought that spoke the Truth / Jesus Christ!! – Philippians 4:8 KJV – “Brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, ((( Think on these things ))). ----//-- ( That’s the Spirit of God ). Any other thinking or spirit is (( From the devil )), and you and ( all the others ) can never prove that wrong!!! – You can spit, and reject it, but you will ( never ) show Scripture that it’s wrong!!!!

Paul – 081712

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

And just where do you guess man gets his spirit / thinking???? – He gets it from the teaching of fools that are ( for ) the devil; - that’s where. - It’s all ( one spirit / one thought ), the same as in God, we are all of ((( One Spirit / One Thought ))) and that Spirit is God. - God is the Thought that spoke the Truth / Jesus Christ!! – Philippians 4:8 KJV – “Brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, ((( Think on these things ))). ----//-- ( That’s the Spirit of God ). Any other thinking or spirit is (( From the devil )), and you and ( all the others ) can never prove that wrong!!! – You can spit, and reject it, but you will ( never ) show Scripture that it’s wrong!!!!Paul – 081712

LA

When God 1st gave life to man he breathed his spirit into him. It is the spirit that gives life and as James said without a spirit the body is dead. This is also witnessed in the Old Testament where it says that when a person dies the spirit goes back to God who gave it. This is why when everybody was looking at my dead body I was still very much alive but was living in a totally different dimension because my spirit with my soul had gone back to God to be judged for better or for worse.

Eccl.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Adam and Eve are the spirit and soul of all mankind, and in Adam (who with Eve became "one flesh") all men must die. However, in Christ all men are born alive.

Unfortunately Adam did not obey God, therefore the Spirit given to man became an unclean spirit because of the curse resulting in the presence of the seed of the serpent crawling upon the earth (our physical bodies) eating dust, which is what our bodies are made from.

Because the spirit given unto all mankind originally came from God, all of mankind is born with a certain level of morality and able to know right from wrong. Therefore, when Paul spoke of the Greeks he said they followed after the law even though the law was never given to them.

Doug

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

LA

When God 1st gave life to man he breathed his spirit into him. It is the spirit that gives life and as James said without a spirit the body is dead. This is also witnessed in the Old Testament where it says that when a person dies the spirit goes back to God who gave it. This is why when everybody was looking at my dead body I was still very much alive but was living in a totally different dimension because my spirit with my soul had gone back to God to be judged for better or for worse.

Eccl.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Adam and Eve are the spirit and soul of all mankind, and in Adam (who with Eve became "one flesh") all men must die. However, in Christ all men are born alive.

Unfortunately Adam did not obey God, therefore the Spirit given to man became an unclean spirit because of the curse resulting in the presence of the seed of the serpent crawling upon the earth (our physical bodies) eating dust, which is what our bodies are made from.

Because the spirit given unto all mankind originally came from God, all of mankind is born with a certain level of morality and able to know right from wrong. Therefore, when Paul spoke of the Greeks he said they followed after the law even though the law was never given to them.

Doug

No God did ( Not )!! – God simply breathed into his nostrils ((( AIR )))!! – It took Air for a physical man to breathe, even the first man. – How do you figure it was any different then than it is for your flesh to ( breathe )???? - The Spiritual Life ( Didn’t come along until after Jesus was Resurrected ), and His “Word” entered into the Lost, as the Gospel and became (( Spirit )). Jesus Christ ( Is that Life ) – It’s called the Holy Ghost, or haven’t you learned that yet??????

Paul – 081712

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

No God did ( Not )!! – God simply breathed into his nostrils ((( AIR )))!! – It took Air for a physical man to breathe, even the first man. – How do you figure it was any different then than it is for your flesh to ( breathe )???? - The Spiritual Life ( Didn’t come along until after Jesus was Resurrected ), and His “Word” entered into the Lost, as the Gospel and became (( Spirit )). Jesus Christ ( Is that Life ) – It’s called the Holy Ghost, or haven’t you learned that yet??????

Paul – 081712

Do you think Jesus was not conceived of the Holy Spirit before he took his 1st breath? Your doctrine does not make sense.

All of mankind is a spirit that has a soul that lives within a physical body. This is repeated in Scripture and I am not going to argue about it with you. I would quote the verse but I have already done that to you before but apparently it did not help you.

Doug

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Do you think Jesus was not conceived of the Holy Spirit before he took his 1st breath? Your doctrine does not make sense.

All of mankind is a spirit that has a soul that lives within a physical body. This is repeated in Scripture and I am not going to argue about it with you. I would quote the verse but I have already done that to you before but apparently it did not help you.

Doug

What do you think being "Conceived of the Holy Ghost" ((( IS )))????

((( Jesus was God the Holy Spirit / Ghost before He became flesh )))!! – That’s who The ( Savior ) was; - He ( Was the Spirit of God ), even from the beginning ( without ) the breath of ((( AIR )))!! - God, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Jesus Christ ( does not need to breathe AIR )!!!

I just went through that spirit in the flesh thing earlier!! ---- “Every thinking person” has one of two spirits dwelling in their flesh. - The lost person has the spirit or Satan; -- and the Saved person has the Spirit of God / Christ dwelling in the Temple that the saved has prepared for the Spirit of Christ through the Gospel / through Baptism for Christ!!

It’s your stuff that doesn’t make any (sense at all )!!!!

Paul – 081812