[RevTestament]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

As for the priesthood being according to the order of Melchisedec, it appears that this is for Jesus Christ only.

Nope again. For Hebrews teaches that Melchizedek was made like unto Christ, having inherited an everlasting priesthood, and therefore became without mother or father, and without beginning nor ending of days. This can't be the levitical priesthood now can it? What priesthood did Jethro hold? Can't be the levitical priesthood can it? He was the high priest of Midian. The reason you don't know these things is because the priesthood has become foreign to the churches since the Catholic church corrupted it, and the bishop of Rome became the Roman pontifex maximus. But the true followers of God have always held his priesthood. May you be willing to pray about it.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

Nope again. For Hebrews teaches that Melchizedek was made like unto Christ, having inherited an everlasting priesthood, and therefore became without mother or father, and without beginning nor ending of days. This can't be the levitical priesthood now can it?

The priesthood of Jesus Christ according to the order of Melchisedec is not the Levitical priesthood. I don't understand how you could think I was saying that it was.

What priesthood did Jethro hold?

Is this Biblical or extra-Biblical?

Can't be the levitical priesthood can it? He was the high priest of Midian.

Not the priesthood of Jesus Christ according to the order of Melchisedec.

The reason you don't know these things is because the priesthood has become foreign to the churches since the Catholic church corrupted it, and the bishop of Rome became the Roman pontifex maximus.

I have never been a Roman Catholic.

But the true followers of God have always held his priesthood.

You said you don't believe in the priesthood of believers.

May you be willing to pray about it.

Don't think you hold the priesthood our High Priest Jesus does.

[RevTestament]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

The priesthood of Jesus Christ according to the order of Melchisedec is not the Levitical priesthood. I don't understand how you could think I was saying that it was.

No offense Untellectual, but we aren't communicating with the same understanding in mind. I was trying to show that Melchizedek holds this same priesthood as Christ. You said we can't. Hebrews says Melchizedek did.

Is this Biblical or extra-Biblical?Not the priesthood of Jesus Christ according to the order of Melchisedec.

That Jethro was the high priest of Midian is Biblical. Midian was a son of Abraham through his third wife, Keturah. Jethro used the priesthood to teach many things to Moses. See Exodus. This is the priesthood Moses used to perform the miracles of God.

I have never been a Roman Catholic.

Don't get all defensive untellectual. I merely bring up the apostles and bishops because they are offices of the Melchizedek priesthood which were lost by the errors of the early church - leading to the dark ages. But they show that Christ passed on offices of the priesthood.

You said you don't believe in the priesthood of believers.

I don't. Google it. It was a doctrine brought in by the Protestants, since they obviously were not going to accept the priesthood of the Catholic church.

Don't think you hold the priesthood our High Priest Jesus does.

Why not? Melchizedek did. Jethro did. The apostles did.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

No offense Untellectual, but we aren't communicating with the same understanding in mind. I was trying to show that Melchizedek holds this same priesthood as Christ. You said we can't. Hebrews says Melchizedek did.

Melchizedek was a High Priest. Now Jesus is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and not after the order of Aaron and the Levitical priesthood. In terms of being a priest, Melchizedek came first, then Aaron and the Levitical priesthood, then Jesus Christ. Melchizedek did not come after Christ. Melchizedek is not a priest according to the order of Jesus Christ. That kind of idea does not exist in scripture.

That Jethro was the high priest of Midian is Biblical. Midian was a son of Abraham through his third wife, Keturah. Jethro used the priesthood to teach many things to Moses. See Exodus. This is the priesthood Moses used to perform the miracles of God.

I understand Jethro was a High Priest. I had understood you to say Jethro was a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, which is not something I know to be true.

Don't get all defensive untellectual. I merely bring up the apostles and bishops because they are offices of the Melchizedek priesthood which were lost by the errors of the early church - leading to the dark ages. But they show that Christ passed on offices of the priesthood.

Is there anything in the Bible that to you speaks of Jesus Christ and a priesthood established or perpetuated by Him? I don't follow what you are talking about with the Catholic Church. It is not a part of my thinking.

I don't. Google it. It was a doctrine brought in by the Protestants, since they obviously were not going to accept the priesthood of the Catholic church.

If you don't accept the priesthood of the believer according to Protestant doctrine, then you must do something different with the priesthood of the Israelite and the priesthood Peter spoke of in his epistle.

Why not? Melchizedek did. Jethro did. The apostles did.

Melchizedek, is, I believe, a type... when we consider the nature of Jesus Christ's (high-)priesthood. You are not Jesus our High Priest.

[Doormat]

Originally Posted by Nick M

Hebrews does talk about the priesthood, which has no place in the Body of Christ with us.

Are you one with Jesus, our High Priest?

"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession."

"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me."

"I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me."

"the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked."

[Untellectual]

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Hebrews 7:12 (NASB) For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 7:12 (NKJV) For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

[Doormat]

Revelation 1:4-6

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

[Untellectual]

Exodus 19:6 (KJV) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

[Untellectual]

1 Peter 2:5 (KJV) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

[Doormat]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Exodus 19:6 (KJV) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Perhaps Revelation 1:6 describes the fulfillment of Exodus 19:6? I think it does.

The tribe of Levi was the priesthood in Israel. God would be changing the priesthood if he made all of Israel's citizens priests.

So the change would be from the Levitical priesthood to the new priesthood, in my opinion.

I believe the new priesthood is called the Melchizedek priesthood because Christ is said to be a priest of that order forever (Ps 110:4).

[RevTestament]

Originally Posted by RevTestament
No offense Untellectual, but we aren't communicating with the same understanding in mind. I was trying to show that Melchizedek holds this same priesthood as Christ. You said we can't. Hebrews says Melchizedek did.

Melchizedek was a High Priest. Now Jesus is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and not after the order of Aaron and the Levitical priesthood. In terms of being a priest, Melchizedek came first, then Aaron and the Levitical priesthood, then Jesus Christ.

Actually, Adam came first. I know it's not in the Bible, but tough cookies I guess. Chronological order is irrelevant.

Melchizedek did not come after Christ. Melchizedek is not a priest according to the order of Jesus Christ. That kind of idea does not exist in scripture.

It's just a way of speaking. There is no priesthood of Melchizedek. It is the priesthood of God after the order of the Son of God. So yes, Melchisedek is a high priest according to the order of Jesus Christ. Jesus just reestablished the same priesthood.
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That Jethro was the high priest of Midian is Biblical. Midian was a son of Abraham through his third wife, Keturah. Jethro used the priesthood to teach many things to Moses. See Exodus. This is the priesthood Moses used to perform the miracles of God.
I understand Jethro was a High Priest. I had understood you to say Jethro was a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, which is not something I know to be true. RT Quote:
Don't get all defensive untellectual. I merely bring up the apostles and bishops because they are offices of the Melchizedek priesthood which were lost by the errors of the early church - leading to the dark ages. But they show that Christ passed on offices of the priesthood.

Is there anything in the Bible that to you speaks of Jesus Christ and a priesthood established or perpetuated by Him? I don't follow what you are talking about with the Catholic Church. It is not a part of my thinking.

I realize this, and that is why I brought it up. When I was a Baptist, they taught me nothing of the priesthood - it was completely foreign to me. The Bible doesn't really stress Christ reestablishing the priesthood, but we know He did. 1 Timothy 3 talks of the qualifications of a bishop for instance, including that they should be married. Obviously Catholics changed this too, thus fulfilling Timothy's prophecy that in the latter days some would depart from the truth forbidding to marry. The Bible talks about several apostles being ordained as replacements.
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I don't. Google it. It was a doctrine brought in by the Protestants, since they obviously were not going to accept the priesthood of the Catholic church.

If you don't accept the priesthood of the believer according to Protestant doctrine, then you must do something different with the priesthood of the Israelite and the priesthood Peter spoke of in his epistle.

There is no "priesthood of the Israelite." Melchizedek was not an Israelite. Peter is speaking of the Melchizedek or priesthood of God.
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Why not? Melchizedek did. Jethro did. The apostles did.

Melchizedek, is, I believe, a type... when we consider the nature of Jesus Christ's (high-)priesthood. You are not Jesus our High Priest.

Was Jethro a type too? He was not Jesus our High Priest but he was a High Priest of the priesthood of God. Are you saying that Melchizedek did not actually inherit an everlasting priesthood?

[Doormat]

I've wondered about the meaning of the phrase translated to "order of Melchizedek."

Melchizedek = King of righteousness

The word translated to order from the Hebrew and Greek (dibrah, taxis) doesn't make me think it is being used like we do when referring to a priest order, e.g. Jesuits.

01700 דברה dibrah dib-raw’

fem. of 01697; n m; {See TWOT on 399 @@ "399e"}

AV-cause 1, order 1, estate 1, end 1, regard 1; 5

1) cause, manner, reason

Maybe it means he is a priest in the manner of the king of righteousness or is a priest in the manner of a righteous king?

[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

What is this change of law?

Is it a change of priesthood, simply where Christ is our (heavenly) High Priest?

The earthly temple served as a

Hebrews 9:23 Therefore [it was] necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, [which are] copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

Hebrews 9:25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another--

Hebrews 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

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Hebrews 8:4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;

Hebrews 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See [that] you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.


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Exodus 25:40 "And see to it that you make [them] according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain.

You've been doing a really good job...I only wanted to comment on the questions in yellow (above). To bring it to your attention...that is.

The change of the Law meant an end to all the sacrificial rituals and rites under the Law of Moses. The Lamb of God had arrived. The Priests of Levi were no longer required to perform all those washings and blood sprinklings. We now have a better Priest.

[Doormat]

Originally Posted by Doormat

I believe the new priesthood is called the Melchizedek priesthood because Christ is said to be a priest of that order forever (Ps 110:4).

Maybe it's not called the Melchizedek priesthood if it's not speaking about an order or priests as we use the term today.

At this point, I'm not sure what we call the new priesthood. Does it need a name? Isn't Body of Christ a good enough name for the new priesthood since we are made priest in him?