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September 28th, 2012, 01:09 PM
Does life actually begin at conception?
Of course it does. Rand Paul
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
A large study in America found that 5% of rapes resulted in a pregnancy.
What can be done to prevent a pregnancy after rape?
There are tablets available to prevent pregnancy after rape and unplanned intercourse. This medication, the emergency contraceptive pill (ECP) is commonly known as the morning after pill but can be taken up to 5 days after unprotected intercourse. You can see a doctor to get the emergency contraceptive pill, or buy it over the counter from a chemist.
A large study in America found that 5% of rapes resulted in a pregnancy.
What can be done to prevent a pregnancy after rape?
There are tablets available to prevent pregnancy after rape and unplanned intercourse. This medication, the emergency contraceptive pill (ECP) is commonly known as the morning after pill but can be taken up to 5 days after unprotected intercourse. You can see a doctor to get the emergency contraceptive pill, or buy it over the counter from a chemist.
Your legislation would make that morning after pill illegal.
So, my answer and the answer of the majority in Mississippi (a very pro-life state) is NO
Given the morning after pill is not 100% effective......
Please answer what crime did the baby conceived in rape commit?
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
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As long as people demand more government, they will get it. Government reflects the people.
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September 28th, 2012, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbang123
You waste your time trying to convince me, convince the majority of Mississippi which said NO.
Mississippi didn't answer this thread....YOU did. Answer the question, or duck and run as usual, your choice.
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
Mississippi didn't answer this thread....YOU did. Answer the question, or duck and run as usual, your choice.
Put on your reading glasses old man - I already posted my answer in post # 3. The bill will tie doctors hands when it comes to responding to rapes and preventing pregancies. Exactly what is it about that that you don't get?
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"A day is as a thousand years" is about perspective. Two hours on the highway, to a five year old, seems like an eternity! To a 50 year old trucker, it's just the start of a good morning
A large study in America found that 5% of rapes resulted in a pregnancy.
What can be done to prevent a pregnancy after rape?
There are tablets available to prevent pregnancy after rape and unplanned intercourse. This medication, the emergency contraceptive pill (ECP) is commonly known as the morning after pill but can be taken up to 5 days after unprotected intercourse. You can see a doctor to get the emergency contraceptive pill, or buy it over the counter from a chemist.
So you are saying that the morning after pill prevents conception?
Slogan/motto:
"A day is as a thousand years" is about perspective. Two hours on the highway, to a five year old, seems like an eternity! To a 50 year old trucker, it's just the start of a good morning
Put on your reading glasses old man - I already posted my answer in post # 3. The bill will tie doctors hands when it comes to responding to rapes and preventing pregancies. Exactly what is it about that that you don't get?
Very few people have a problem with "preventing pregnancies". Killing the baby after it is conceived is a different issue! I would prefer to prevent more rape by killing rapists.
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Yes, Life begins at conception. But I question if personhood does.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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As long as people demand more government, they will get it. Government reflects the people.
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September 28th, 2012, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbang123
Put on your reading glasses old man - I already posted my answer in post # 3. The bill will tie doctors hands when it comes to responding to rapes and preventing pregancies. Exactly what is it about that that you don't get?
I will ask again.......
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Originally Posted by drbrumley
Please answer what crime did the baby conceived in rape commit?
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
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As long as people demand more government, they will get it. Government reflects the people.
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September 28th, 2012, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Yes, Life begins at conception. But I question if personhood does.
There's a difference? A lion cub conceived in a mother lion's womb is still a lion. Or is it an ape KeyPurr? You need a better argument.
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
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“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
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September 28th, 2012, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Yes, Life begins at conception. But I question if personhood does.
"Personhood" is meaningless / ambiguous semantic nonsense. Let's stick to what we know. Life begins at conception. This cannot be disputed.
It is impossible to clearly and definitively define "personhood" and attempting to do so will only have us dancing around, chasing our tail, arguing about a definition rather than discussing the legality surrounding purposefully killing an innocent human life.
Let's stick to what we know rather than fruitlessly attempting to define the undefineable.
Likewise with "human-being" vs. human. At conception, a human life begins. Period.
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
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As long as people demand more government, they will get it. Government reflects the people.
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September 28th, 2012, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by WizardofOz
"Personhood" is meaningless / ambiguous semantic nonsense. Let's stick to what we know. Life begins at conception. This cannot be disputed.
It is impossible to clearly and definitively define "personhood" and attempting to do so will only have us dancing around, chasing our tail, arguing about a definition rather than discussing the legality surrounding purposefully killing an innocent human life.
Let's stick to what we know rather than fruitlessly attempting to define the undefineable.
Likewise with "human-being" vs. human. At conception, a human life begins. Period.
Right on! I would rep you, more often than I do, cause for some reason it won't let me.
Governments coerce others with a two-edged sword: giving the state the power to do things you like necessarily requires giving the state the power to do things you don't like, and giving the state the power to restrict behavior of which you don't approve gives them the power to restrict behavior of which you do approve. The right way to change hearts and minds is not coercion. It is persuasion
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"Clichés are the bane of educated mankind."
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September 28th, 2012, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by drbrumley
There's a difference? A lion cub conceived in a mother lion's womb is still a lion. Or is it an ape KeyPurr? You need a better argument.
Um, short note here then I'm staying hands-off of this thread.
"Life" is a term in the sphere of biology.
"Personhood," or to use a better word "citizenship," is a term in the sphere of law.
Thus, it is fair to say that "life" begins when the first cell division occurs after fertilization.
That is objectively determinable through scientific investigation.
Personhood, on the other hand, is much more murky, and making sweeping statements regarding it and how law "should" be written/amended to regard it demonstrates a great ignorance of the difference between law and biology.
Granting personhood to a set of two dividing cells leads to a pregnant mother being forced by law to purchase an extra plane ticket if she wants to fly.
Pregnant mothers would be barred from buying tickets to R-rated movies because the "person" they're carrying isn't old enough to get in.
Also, building occupancy codes, fire codes, etc. would all have to be amended to treat a pregnant woman as two "people."
A Lamaze class of twenty women could be cancelled due to the fire marshal having only authorized their classroom for a total occupancy of twenty-two.
It gets worse.
District arrangement in state legislatures would have to be recalculated to take the millions of new "persons" into consideration, resulting in massive changes across the board in representation and organization, to say nothing of requiring constant monitoring of all women in the vicinity to see if they become pregnant and tip the representation balance yet again.
Taken to its most ludicrous, we'd see politicians suddenly having millions more voters to try to sway, and someone somewhere would demand that the mother not pull the lever but instead let the "person" she is carrying vote for itself.
Many "pro-lifers" love to scoff at such notions, but these are just a few of the logical results of the law granting personhood (and thus citizenship) to a set of dividing cells.
And with that, I bid the thread adieu.
I know where my wife and I stand on the issue, and the amount of backpatting and highfiving already present in this thread leads me to believe that no actual discussion will occur.
Vaya con Dios.
Dieu est l'amour.
Allah bidabbir.
“In many ways the evidence of our faith is found in our ability to control our tongue (or our keyboard)."
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