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As of this posting, the following message appears at the top of BEL's "Real Science Friday" website:
National Public Radio Program Suing BEL's Real Science Friday: The NY Post today in its article, Science Radio Showdown, reports that NPR's “Science Friday” producers have filed a lawsuit in Manhattan Supreme Court against Bob Enyart's Real Science Friday radio program. Bob asks, "As always, please pray for our outreach as we present to a hurting world the evidence that God created and loves us!"
Here's a link to the New York Post article on the subject:
As of this posting, the following message appears at the top of BEL's "Real Science Friday" website:
National Public Radio Program Suing BEL's Real Science Friday: The NY Post today in its article, Science Radio Showdown, reports that NPR's “Science Friday” producers have filed a lawsuit in Manhattan Supreme Court against Bob Enyart's Real Science Friday radio program. Bob asks, "As always, please pray for our outreach as we present to a hurting world the evidence that God created and loves us!"
Here's another news link on the subject, this one from the New York Post:
Slogan/motto:
“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
Reputation:
November 20th, 2012, 11:29 AM
Will he retain the ACLU as legal counsel?
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
Seems problematic for Bob. If you started a restaurant with a similar look to McDonald's and called the chain Real McDonald's...using real would seem to be a recognition of and trading on the established brand.
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Basically, they want an injunction against Real Science Friday, money, and to own the www.realsciencefriday.com domain name.
If it's considered "cybersquatting" they may have a case. I'm not clear on the nuances of this issue, though. If NPR's correct and their users/listeners are being confused or misdirected, I'd say they probably have a point. But again, not sure.
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Slogan/motto:
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord" Isaiah 1:18
Reputation:
November 20th, 2012, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Town Heretic
Seems problematic for Bob. If you started a restaurant with a similar look to McDonald's and called the chain Real McDonald's...using real would seem to be a recognition of and trading on the established brand.
Should prove interesting.
It seems more analogous to a popular burger joint named "McCoy's" and a rival chain opening with the name "The Real McCoy's." The word "science" is a metonym for "knowledge," which is how Enyart is using it (he purports to present the actual facts of science along with his commentary, but doesn't offer an actual scientific explanation). Given the scope and direction of the program, I think Enyart's choice of program name is perfect. I hope it will fall under a fair use of parody. Parody does, by its nature, trade on the recognition of an established brand, so why should that present an issue?
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Slogan/motto:
“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
Reputation:
November 20th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C.
It seems more analogous to a popular burger joint named "McCoy's" and a rival chain opening with the name "The Real McCoy's." The word "science" is a metonym for "knowledge," which is how Enyart is using it (he purports to present the actual facts of science along with his commentary, but doesn't offer an actual scientific explanation). Given the scope and direction of the program, I think Enyart's choice of program name is perfect. I hope it will fall under a fair use of parody. Parody does, by its nature, trade on the recognition of an established brand, so why should that present an issue?
^ This.
I don't see any grounds for a suit based on what is a parody. Perhaps Enyart should probably remove all mention of NPR from his site, however.
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
Slogan/motto:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Reputation:
November 20th, 2012, 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C.
... I think Enyart's choice of program name is perfect. I hope it will fall under a fair use of parody. Parody does, by its nature, trade on the recognition of an established brand, so why should that present an issue?
It does seem like parody could be a defense in this case.
But Science Friday is arguing that it is the "real" Science Friday.
Are they ignoring that "real science" is a common expression?
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Slogan/motto:
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord" Isaiah 1:18
Reputation:
November 20th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WizardofOz
I don't see any grounds for a suit based on what is a parody. Perhaps Enyart should probably remove all mention of NPR from his site, however.
That would defeat the purpose of being a parody. Enyart is not offering a counterfeit of the Science Friday program, but a creationist counterbalance. I'm not sure where the laws stand on this issue, but it should be allowed imo. If (when?) TOL dominates the internet, it seems perfectly fair for some atheists to set up AtheismOnline.
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
It seems more analogous to a popular burger joint named "McCoy's" and a rival chain opening with the name "The Real McCoy's." The word "science" is a metonym for "knowledge," which is how Enyart is using it (he purports to present the actual facts of science along with his commentary, but doesn't offer an actual scientific explanation). Given the scope and direction of the program, I think Enyart's choice of program name is perfect. I hope it will fall under a fair use of parody. Parody does, by its nature, trade on the recognition of an established brand, so why should that present an issue?
Except that it doesn't appear to actually be a parody, so we disagree. But, again, it should be interesting.
Seems problematic for Bob. If you started a restaurant with a similar look to McDonald's and called the chain Real McDonald's...using real would seem to be a recognition of and trading on the established brand.
Should prove interesting.
Yes but, legally speaking does NPR have a trademark on "Science Friday" and if they do not, do they have a case counselor? Also is offering an opposing view with a play on words wrong this is a different audience? (if it was even aimed at NPR to begin with, something I am sure would have to be proved). Does free speech come into play here if there is no trademark TH. Just curious to hear some lawyer speak on the issue from both sides, defendant and plaintiff.
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