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MidActs Dispensationalism Acts 9 (or MidActs) Dispensationalism acknowledges the scriptural presentation of the dispensation of grace having begun with, not before, Paul; and its adherents accept the admonishment of Jesus Christ Himself that members of the Body of Christ follow Paul as he followed Christ.

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The Terms for Jews and Gentiles ?? - November 28th, 2012, 04:49 PM

Hi to all , and there has alway been different TERMS for salvation for Jews and Gentiles , and I see 3 different terms in my study and here is a rough draft !!

#1 , The Nation of Israel had 613 Law that governed Israel and 248 were Negative and 365 were Positive !!

#2 , There in due time Jesus came to prepare Israel to enter the Tribulation period !! All Gentiles can accept the God of Israel and then become Proselytes in Israel and have to convert to Jadaism , like Cornelius in Acts 10 !!

#3 , This preparation is in Matt 3:1-6 !!

#4 , But Luke 13:6-9 , reveals that Israel will set aside , and that means the whole Nation in 70 AD .


#5, So , Christ , saves SAUL in Acts 9:6 , and here begins the Dispensation of the Mystery , for the last 2000 years !!

Anyone that is saved in the Dispensation of Grace become members of the Body of Christ and are NEITHER Male nor Female as Gal 3:28 says , and Eph 2:8 reigns !!

#6, After the Departure/Rapture , will begin the Tribulation !!

The Terms of salvation for those who Endure the Great Tribulation are written in several verses , but just use the one found in Ezek 36:24-38 !!

Notice that this is Israel !!

Verse 24 , God will cause all Jews to return to the Land of Israel !!

Verse 25 , They will be SPRINKED with clean water or baptized !!

Verse 26 , will be given a new Heart , and a new spirit !!

Verse 27 , He will put a new Spirit with in Israel and CAUSE Israel to walk in my Statues and ye shall keep my Judgments !!

Is Ezek 36:24-38 for the Body of Christ ??

I do not think so !!

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November 28th, 2012, 05:15 PM

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#2 , There in due time Jesus came to prepare Israel to enter the Tribulation period !! All Gentiles can accept the God of Israel and then become Proselytes in Israel and have to convert to Jadaism , like Cornelius in Acts 10 !!
The Ninevites did not become proselytes. If thatís a condition of salvation, are you saying God had them repent only to reserve them for judgment?

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Anyone that is saved in the Dispensation of Grace become members of the Body of Christ and are NEITHER Male nor Female as Gal 3:28 says ,
Weíre clearly not androgynous in the body of Christ, so what does it mean to be neither male nor female? And if youíre still male in the body of Christ, a Jew is still a Jew in the body of Christ. So, what does Paul mean here?



   
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The Ninevites did not become proselytes. If thatís a condition of salvation, are you saying God had them repent only to reserve them for judgment?

Weíre clearly not androgynous in the body of Christ, so what does it mean to be neither male nor female? And if youíre still male in the body of Christ, a Jew is still a Jew in the body of Christ. So, what does Paul mean here?

Hi , and you are Hilarious , for it says , there cannot be Male or Female as Male is the Greek word ARREN and Female is the Greek word THELYS !!

Earth to surrender !!

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Hi , and you are Hilarious , for it says , there cannot be Male or Female as Male is the Greek word ARREN and Female is the Greek word THELYS !!

Earth to surrender !!

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If you're not male, what are you?

You didn't respond to this:

The Ninevites did not become proselytes. If thatís a condition of salvation, are you saying God had them repent only to reserve them for judgment?



   
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If you're not male, what are you?

You didn't respond to this:

The Ninevites did not become proselytes. If thatís a condition of salvation, are you saying God had them repent only to reserve them for judgment?

Hi , because they did not become JEWS , surrender !!

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Hi , because they did not become JEWS , surrender !!

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You are an expert at evading questions. Let us try again.

If you're not male, what are you?

The Ninevites did not become proselytes. If thatís a condition of salvation, are you saying God had them repent only to reserve them for judgment?



   
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You are an expert at evading questions. Let us try again.

If you're not male, what are you?

The Ninevites did not become proselytes. If thatís a condition of salvation, are you saying God had them repent only to reserve them for judgment?

Hi , and I do like to help people , but you AMUSE me , as an expert at EVADING , where I have not seen ONE OP from you , what a laugh , and now with that out of the way , lets begin !!

#1 , Read the book of Jonah !!

#2 , There are many sign posts through the book !!

#3 , Many theologians , say Jonah is a TYPE of Christ !!

#4 , Many theologians say that Jonah DIED !!

#5 , Verse 17 , says that Jonah was in the belly of the fish 3 days and 3 night , like Jesus !!

#6 , And look who God is saving , GENTILES in Jonah 4:11 !!

I believe that is also a NEAR VIEW and a FAR VIEW , but you are not a dispensatioalist and would not believe it !!

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Hi , and I do like to help people , but you AMUSE me , as an expert at EVADING , where I have not seen ONE OP from you
How in the world do you equate me not opening a thread with evading questions? I haven’t evaded one of your questions. I’ve answered them all directly. YOU have not answered many of my questions directly. Like this one. So, I’ll ask it for, at least, the third time.

You said you’re not male. If you are not male, please tell me what you are.

You say that becoming a proselyte was a condition for salvation in the OT. Fine. Then, please tell me why God did not have the repentant Ninevites get circumcised.

I will wait for direct answers from you.



   
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How in the world do you equate me not opening a thread with evading questions? I haven’t evaded one of your questions. I’ve answered them all directly. YOU have not answered many of my questions directly. Like this one. So, I’ll ask it for, at least, the third time.

You said you’re not male. If you are not male, please tell me what you are.

You say that becoming a proselyte was a condition for salvation in the OT. Fine. Then, please tell me why God did not have the repentant Ninevites get circumcised.

I will wait for direct answers from you.

Hi , and I have many posts on Pauline dispensationalism , and I have yet to see one on yours , that will explain your theological position !!

I believe that the OT , shows that to live within the Nation of Israel , you had to follow Jewish Laws !!

There were many Proselytes withIN Israel as Acts 2:10 , SAYS and did the Ninivites become Jews ??

It does not say that , You are dumber than a ROCK !!

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There were many Proselytes withIN Israel as Acts 2:10 , SAYS and did the Ninivites become Jews ??
I know there were proselytes within Israel. The Ninevites werenít required to become Jews in order to be accepted by God. Same with Naaman the leper. He not only was ďat peaceĒ with God while uncircumcised, he went back to his duties in the temple of an idol. You continue to completely ignore the fact that we find uncircumcised Gentiles saved in the OT.

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It does not say that , You are dumber than a ROCK !!
You call names because you are frustrated that you canít refute my posts. You lash out like a child. Dan, do you think God approves of your childish name calling?



   
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I know there were proselytes within Israel. The Ninevites weren’t required to become Jews in order to be accepted by God. Same with Naaman the leper. He not only was “at peace” with God while uncircumcised, he went back to his duties in the temple of an idol. You continue to completely ignore the fact that we find uncircumcised Gentiles saved in the OT.

You call names because you are frustrated that you can’t refute my posts. You lash out like a child. Dan, do you think God approves of your childish name calling?

Hi , and what posts have you REFUTED??

Nothing , as all persons that stayed in Israel , had to be CIRCUMCIED , as no one can be a partaker of the PASSOVER with Israel ,

Ezek 12:48-49 , and FRUSTRATED with a ROCK ??

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Hi , and what posts have you REFUTED??

Nothing , as all persons that stayed in Israel , had to be CIRCUMCIED , as no one can be a partaker of the PASSOVER with Israel ,

Ezek 12:48-49 , and FRUSTRATED with a ROCK ??

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You're still continuing to ignore that the Ninevites weren't required to become Jews in order to be accepted by God. Same with Naaman the leper. He not only was ďat peaceĒ with God while uncircumcised, he went back to his duties in the temple of an idol.

What we have here are uncircumcised Gentiles saved in the OT.



   
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You're still continuing to ignore that the Ninevites weren't required to become Jews in order to be accepted by God. Same with Naaman the leper. He not only was ďat peaceĒ with God while uncircumcised, he went back to his duties in the temple of an idol.

What we have here are uncircumcised Gentiles saved in the OT.

Hi , and I am not ignoring the Ninevites , as you are not understanding my respond concerning the book of Jonah , and the Ninevites never became Jews !!



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Hi , and I am not ignoring the Ninevites , as you are not understanding my respond concerning the book of Jonah , and the Ninevites never became Jews !!



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You are certainly right about that. I don't understand your response. Seems to me that if you really wanted to be a teacher, you'd adapt to your student's learning style rather than continue with your own teaching style that isn't working.

I have no idea of your point about the book of Jonah. Care to explain?

I know the Ninevites never became Jews--that's my entire point! They were saved without being circumcised.



   
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What we have here are uncircumcised Gentiles saved in the OT.

Hi , and just where is there proof for that ?

Luke 11:32 , the Ninevites will rise up in JUDGMENT WITH THIS GENERATION AND condemn it , so your what you have written IS MOOT and not true !!

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