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Calvinism Teaches - March 2nd, 2013, 02:21 PM

Jesus did not die for everyone that ever lived but only for the church or the "elect". In problem text they teach "all men" only refers to: "all the elect men" or just "some men". When they say judgment came upon all men by the offense of one (Adam) __what does that mean? Did judgment only come upon the elect men? Upon just some men? Obviously, it came upon everyone that has ever lived "for in Adam all die". For all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God". None can save themselves regardless of any right standing with God that He might bless it. Understanding the OT satisfies that issue. When compared to what is required for man's salvation, that which God can find favor with in man for blessing him, is as filthy rags when considering his salvation. So how does the word "all" change meanings from "everyone that has ever lived" to "every elect man" in the same sentence?



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 02:28 PM

Easy. Calvinism teaches Adam represented all (not just some) of the human race, while Christ is the representative for all (not just some) of the elect.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 02:43 PM

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Easy. Calvinism teaches Adam represented all (not just some) of the human race, while Christ is the representative for all (not just some) of the elect.
Then please explain John 3:16 and 17.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 02:47 PM

His death was sufficient for all but efficient for only the elect. Calvinists are not universalists.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 02:49 PM

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His death was sufficient for all but efficient for only the elect. Calvinists are not universalists.
Why? How come? Was it not strong enough?



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 02:52 PM

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Why? How come? Was it not strong enough?
It was strong enough. However, only the elect receive it's benefits.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 02:58 PM

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It was strong enough. However, only the elect receive it's benefits.
OK. Why? How come? What do they have no one else has?



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 03:07 PM

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Jesus did not die for everyone that ever lived but only for the church or the "elect".
Thats True, to teach otherwise is a False Gospel, a Lie !





"All things turn out according to Divine predestination, "There is no such thing as chance or fortune, nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God, and to put our whole trust in Him, than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of predestination." Philipp Melanchthon
   
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March 2nd, 2013, 03:08 PM

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OK. Why? How come? What do they have no one else has?
The gift of faith given by the Holy Spirit at regeneration.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 03:08 PM

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Calvinism teaches Adam represented all (not just some) of the human race
And thats error, for Adam only Represented the Seed of Abraham !





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March 2nd, 2013, 03:11 PM

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And thats error, for Adam only Represented the Seed of Abraham !
Who repressed Esau as well as Jacob. So what is your point? Is Esau as Jacob? No. So, again, what's is your point?



   
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And thats error, for Adam only Represented the Seed of Abraham !
Splain that, Lucy.



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 03:13 PM

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The gift of faith given by the Holy Spirit at regeneration.
Huh? Regeneration? Come again?



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 03:17 PM

regeneration = the new birth (it's a biblical term)



   
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March 2nd, 2013, 03:18 PM

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Thats True, to teach otherwise is a False Gospel, a Lie !
Then "ALL" doesn't mean "ALL", correct? I guess Calvin taught you that?



   
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