Robb Elementary School shooting

marke

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My suggestion is a swift trial and a swift public painful execution. And a taboo on the shooter's name - let him be forgotten and never spoken of again. Similarly with the national publication of the tragedy as a spectator sport. Let the parents grieve in peace.
Maybe background checks? The FBI could have stopped the Boston bombers if only they had known what to do with the information they had on them.


BOSTON (CBS) - The FBI has determined it did all it could to investigate Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the years leading up to the Marathon Bombings, according to a report in The New York Times.

The agency conducted internal reviews in the wake of the bombings that focused on the bureau's response to a 2011 tip from Russian authorities that Tsarnaev had become radicalized.

Among the internal investigation's findings, the Times reports, is that the FBI had no evidence that proved Tsarnaev was a terrorist or contemplating acts of terrorism. Federal laws prevented them from using surveillance techniques to investigate further.

Massachusetts Rep. Bill Keating has been critical of the FBI and recently penned a letter to the new director asking for a deeper investigation into the Marathon Bombings.

He says even if they FBI followed appropriate procedures, it's clear those procedures failed to detect a terrorist.

"Under their procedures, with that case closed, there was no red flag when Tamerlan Tsarnaev went to Russia. There was no red flag when he came back. There was no red flag when he was applying for citizenship and there could have been another background check," Keating said in an interview with WBZ-TV.

Keating serves on the House Homeland Security Committee. He has called on the FBI to sit for a hearing and answer questions. The FBI has refused.
 

annabenedetti

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FT7_fysVIAELH-O


 

marke

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Did Trump smile about something? I'd bet a week's salary that he was not smiling about the victims of the school shooting like hateful leftist liars would like simple-minded people to believe. Speaking of lying to victims of terrorist murder, Obama and Hillary shamelessly lied about the Benghazi attack for reasons that must have been related to Obama's effort to deceive Americans into voting for him a second time.


As if lying to the American people about a YouTube video wasn't bad enough, lets not forget Clinton, along with President Obama, stood in front of the flag draped coffins of the Americans killed in Benghazi and lied to their families about the video.

And who could forget Clinton later accusing Benghazi families, who she promised in person she'd get answers for, of being the liars.
 

marke

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Wrong answers only:

Make it harder for non-murderers to legally obtain guns!
Everybody wants that, so what kind of law will make that happen? By making it possible for central planners (democrat officials) to arbitrarily rule whether a person should get a gun or not? In other words, by allowing leftist officials to ban all republicans and conservatives from owning guns for showing signs of 'insanity' for believing the democrats committed voter fraud?
 

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Everybody wants that, so what kind of law will make that happen? By making it possible for central planners (democrat officials) to arbitrarily rule whether a person should get a gun or not? In other words, by allowing leftist officials to ban all republicans and conservatives from owning guns for showing signs of 'insanity' for believing the democrats committed voter fraud?
Crazy conspiracy theorists like yourself should be able to own a gun! :oops:

 

Idolater

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Everybody wants that, so what kind of law will make that happen? By making it possible for central planners (democrat officials) to arbitrarily rule whether a person should get a gun or not? In other words, by allowing leftist officials to ban all republicans and conservatives from owning guns for showing signs of 'insanity' for believing the democrats committed voter fraud?
Always keep in mind the path a law has to take to become law. The Senate has to approve it. And if you think Repub senators won't filibuster for fear of not getting reelected think again. Most Repub constituencies would absolutely hold it against their senator if he or she does not filibuster or approve of filibuster, in this case. In fact if the Senate approves anything you know that it will be within what Repub voters are willing to concede in the matter, and it's of course not and never going to be anything like what you're saying.
 

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If just one of the 51 Muslims who were murdered in NZ had been armed to the teeth — as was their God-given right — the toll might have been one.

And by "one," I mean the lunatic loser murderer, ie, "zero."
 

marke

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Crazy conspiracy theorists like yourself should be able to own a gun! :oops:

I have owned quite a few guns over the years. I never registered any of them. The government does not tell me whether I can own a gun or not. I can own guns or not as I please.
 

marke

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Always keep in mind the path a law has to take to become law. The Senate has to approve it. And if you think Repub senators won't filibuster for fear of not getting reelected think again. Most Repub constituencies would absolutely hold it against their senator if he or she does not filibuster or approve of filibuster, in this case. In fact if the Senate approves anything you know that it will be within what Repub voters are willing to concede in the matter, and it's of course not and never going to be anything like what you're saying.
Let unsaved mobs of politicians do as they please and so will I as long as I am confident that what I do does not displease God.
 

marke

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If just one of the 51 Muslims who were murdered in NZ had been armed to the teeth — as was their God-given right — the toll might have been one.

True. There will never be a mass gun murder in our church or school considering how many men and women are fully armed and loaded and trained in gun safety and marksmanship.
 

Gary K

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Maybe background checks? The FBI could have stopped the Boston bombers if only they had known what to do with the information they had on them.


BOSTON (CBS) - The FBI has determined it did all it could to investigate Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the years leading up to the Marathon Bombings, according to a report in The New York Times.

The agency conducted internal reviews in the wake of the bombings that focused on the bureau's response to a 2011 tip from Russian authorities that Tsarnaev had become radicalized.

Among the internal investigation's findings, the Times reports, is that the FBI had no evidence that proved Tsarnaev was a terrorist or contemplating acts of terrorism. Federal laws prevented them from using surveillance techniques to investigate further.

Massachusetts Rep. Bill Keating has been critical of the FBI and recently penned a letter to the new director asking for a deeper investigation into the Marathon Bombings.

He says even if they FBI followed appropriate procedures, it's clear those procedures failed to detect a terrorist.

"Under their procedures, with that case closed, there was no red flag when Tamerlan Tsarnaev went to Russia. There was no red flag when he came back. There was no red flag when he was applying for citizenship and there could have been another background check," Keating said in an interview with WBZ-TV.

Keating serves on the House Homeland Security Committee. He has called on the FBI to sit for a hearing and answer questions. The FBI has refused.
I don't believe that for a second. The Uvalde cops had every tool they needed to see what was happening in the schools and even talked to the kid who did it. They have known all about these shooters yet done nothing to stop them time and time again. And every time they fail they say they need more surveillance tools. However their excuse is often that they had too much information. So more information is going to solve that problem? Massive amounts of surveillance is the mo for totalitarian governments. Every time. We know our government is going totalitarian and yet think greater surveillance is the solution? The solution is for them to put their lives on the line like they are paid to do not stand back and watch while ignoring their own policies. More laws will never change that just like more money thrown at education will never fix it. Would you accept the excuse from firefighters that they needed to stand back and observe a fire so they know how to fight it?

The same is true for the Buffalo shooter. The cops in that case are threatening to charge people as accessories as if they have a legal responsibility for reporting. They do not. A moral responsibility? Yes. But it has been proven a lot of times that to not report a crime is not a crime. So why plant that idea again?

After all these years it's impossible to have a 100% failure rate yet that's what they have. Even inadvertently they should get things right half the time. They do not. It's too stupid to be stupid.
 

annabenedetti

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Stupidity leads dummies to erroneously think banning guns from law-abiding citizens will make Americans safer. What preposterous nonsense.


Maybe address the statement, marke:

"More children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active military members."
 

Stripe

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A jaw-dropping line, and utterly untrue.

Behold the actual headline:

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By "young adults," they mean anyone up to the age of 24.

And given that the crossover was more to do with traffic incidents dropping than gun deaths rising (the majority of which was in the most recent year — ie, suicides among people whose lives were wrecked by COVID-19 insanity), I think this is another clear example of how statistics in the wrong hands are dangerous.
 

annabenedetti

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A jaw-dropping line, and utterly untrue.

Behold the actual headline:


By "young adults," they mean anyone up to the age of 24.

And given that the crossover was more to do with traffic incidents dropping than gun deaths rising (the majority of which was in the most recent year — ie, suicides among people whose lives were wrecked by COVID-19 insanity), I think this is another clear example of how statistics in the wrong hands are dangerous.


Interesting. The link headline reads like this for me:

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And in the abstract linked from that article:


We detected 2 epidemics, one beginning in 2009 among 5- to 14-year-olds, and a second in 2014 among 15- to 18-year-olds. Each of these epidemics has continued through 2017, the most recent year for which US mortality data are currently available. It is sobering to reflect that in 2017 there were 144 US police officers who died in the line of duty, 9. fewer than 1000 deaths among active duty military, 10. and 2462 school-age children killed with firearms.
 
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Stripe

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That's because you're reading the article the moron in your tweet linked to, while I provided a fuller picture that exposes his lie.
 
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