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  1. Lon

    Our Moral God

    Well and good, but none of that includes a need for a choice, which is the point (I'll come back to it, but this is all I have left for time tonight). We are rather discussing if "a different and more specifically 'opposing' decision/choice' is necessary 'for choice." We are getting into...
  2. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    Yes. As far as my traditional view, with scriptures in mind, I don't have a horse in this race, but the two ideas have a cake/eat dichotomy. For the Open Theist, it is 1) God moves uni-durational but 2) the concept of 'time' isn't a thing that exists, rather it is a concept that applies...
  3. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    Time is the factor difference for all of us to know anything. If I adopt the OV paradigm that God must discover, in timeless sense, all of time is 'now' with but constructs. Analogy, 3 blind men talking about an elephant: One a large snake, another trees in a forest, and the third a...
  4. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    Seems more like cake and eating it too, to me. If it doesn't exist, then it wasn't 'before' God created either, right?
  5. Lon

    A little comedy break....

  6. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    Good thing I asked the short in the last sentence! (thank you for weighing in). In a nutshell, the Summit Clock Experiment It was one of those points where I was trying to see if Open Theists among themselves disagree, or whether I was missing a subtle difference because of importance for...
  7. Lon

    Our Moral God

    Wait as second. Which claim (or did I miss it)? I wholly appreciate two Open Theists talking about what has also troubled me, on logical points. I've similar questions so appreciate the dialogue Well, of course, he is 'going down to see' so I'd think that He 'can.' There is an importance...
  8. Lon

    Our Moral God

    Good afternoon Clete and thread, An invitation to simply clip what you want to respond to. I clipped about half and still the only two people who are going to read you and I, are you and I and I don't know about me! It will be about a 3-4 minute read, but there are a bunch of 'outs' offered...
  9. Lon

    What and who did Paul preach?

    I'd think it somewhat on point in this thread, I don't know, but great question. I wished I asked it.
  10. Lon

    Iran

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68045254 Does it make any kind of sense that any Americans march for Arab forces when U.S. citizens and forces are clearly targeted? Barring 'irrational' I'm simply not getting the 'why.'
  11. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    It'd seem to take care of the debate on any given point. The Summit Clock Experiment was about God's ability/ inability to traverse increments in more than a linear direction (time). Skip to the last sentence* if I cloudy this up: If time doesn't exist, for me or another on the other...
  12. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    I'm having an existential moment trying to think of your questions inside a thread that says it doesn't exist. 1)Time = a duration, an interval between two points. --It'd seem that duration happens. It'd seem that there is such a thing as an interval between two points. It'd seem a clock...
  13. Lon

    Explanation of Romans 11

    Not sure if I have the ah ha moment here, but I understand you both now: "That tree is not Christ." I need to listen to the rest of the video so I don't ask 'already answered that' questions (why are we then warned verse 21? How are we united to the same vine as Israel as gentiles...
  14. Lon

    Support Israel?

    No response, so let me rephrase and put in a little homework: Because Israel is still in God's plan, it'd seem (according to one link from dispensationalism), that Dispensationalists across board would be supportive of the state. In such a question there are two assumptions, 1) that the...
  15. Lon

    What and who did Paul preach?

    I missed it so thank you again. It is for sure that part of the video linked "That tree is not Christ!" Have to watch the rest of the video now. What I can grasp until I finish the video: 1) No, I have never thought that Christ would cut off His body. 2) As such, I have wrestled in the...
  16. Lon

    Our Moral God

    Thank you for reply with constraint. Much appreciated. On point, Wouldn't matter if it was, is what I'm saying (I hope I'm making the right response, am listening to what you are throwing down). I don't think you were making an appeal to popularity, but I took the weight of the suggestion...
  17. Lon

    What and who did Paul preach?

    It seems v21 is talking about 'don't get prideful as a new member of the body.
  18. Lon

    What and who did Paul preach?

    I appreciate the answer here too. It seemed to me it has to have such a take. The idea not to 'fear' but rather "'I'm a Baptist! God loves us!' yeah, don't do that. It isn't a group thing these days." Close?
  19. Lon

    A little comedy break....

    ▲I laughed, wife groaned ▲ :D
  20. Lon

    What and who did Paul preach?

    Thank you so much for taking the time. (uhhhggg) I'm reading as I'm writing and should read a bit more of Romans 11 at this venture but how do you read/take the warning of verse 21? Thank you. -Lon
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