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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    So you think there is a third resurrection ?
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    There were actually two apostles named James, but neither were the James from Gal 2:12. But in @Nick M's defense, he wasn't trying to talk about that James, as is evident in tge context of his post. Thus is what I think you are doing regularly, you get triggered by certain buzzwords to repeat...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Are you saying that the first resurrection in Rev 20 is only Israel, and the second resurrection, the “rest of the dead" is also only Israel?
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Yes, but Jesus will be ruling over the whole world. If the 12 only judge the twelve tribes, who is judging the rest of the world and who is judging the angels? Paul tells us.
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    There are many Christians who willingly accept Hebrews as applicable to themselves, without having their theology threatened. It seems like only the MADists are so eager to keep it as only for Israel, despite the obvious connection to Paul even if it wasn't written by Paul. And I don't...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Maybe there are two groups that receive eternal life. Maybe more. For instance, infants who die are not "believers", yet I think we both would say they receive eternal life. Did it? or did one group, that didn't have eternal life promises gain access to the eternal life of the other group...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    I appreciate that, but I wasn't the one that brought that topic up. We can move this to another thread, if you prefer. Paul talks about the Resurrection occurring for the believers (Christians) who have died: [1Th 4:13 KJV] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    He does? Here's one thing he says, that those who have died in Christ will be with Christ after the resurrection: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV — For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    I think you are right, and it seems like the resurrected saints will rule and reign with Him during the millennial kingdom. If that includes both Jewish and Gentile Christians, including the 12 apostles, I dont think there's anything to argue about.
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    I'm glad to see you acknowledge that your normal responses to my posts lack intelligence.
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Of course there were 2 groups, but the middle wall of partition between them was broken down, making them no longer two, but one. Ephesians 2:12-14 KJV — That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no...
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    How modern? It was used by Webster in 1828 to define "repent": ---------- 3. To change the mind in consequence of the inconvenience or injury done by past conduct. Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return. Exodus 13:17. 4. Applied to the Supreme Being, to change...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    You were accusing me of ignoring the plain text, not your points. Why change the conversation? Then you agree that "plain reading of the text" is a mere smokescreen? Or begging the question? Of course everybody claims to believe they have the "plain reading of the text", because otherwise they...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    I'm certain you are reading it wrong. God is the one speaking in both vs 1 and 2. You keep trying to insert some other accuser, but it isn't needed to understand the passage. And inserting one where it isnt needed makes you go off into weird speculations about what the passage means. Rather, it...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    Just so you know, I don't always have time to peruse the different threads I've contributed to, so I might not see a response that doesn't directly address me by either quoting one of my posts or by using the "@" sign followed by my name (no spaces). I know that's your answer, because you've...
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    I just hear this: Why was Satan told to partake of the ground?

    I think I already did what you are asking for. In John 10 Jesus speaking to the the leader of the Jews, chastising them for how they led the people. You can see this in the earlier part of the chapter where Jesus talks about thieves and hirelings and those that don't care for the sheep. This...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Should we discuss which plain reading you're ignoring? Here's an additional point: Whereas you gave the following as enough to disqualify Paul as author-- “Which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him.” — Hebrews 2:3--by these words: That...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Yet, here's the next town he went to: Acts 14:1 KJV — And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. So the Jews were still his focus, at least when he first...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    I'm going to focus on this point, because i don't have time to deal with the rest right now. Paul"s ministry was continually to Hebrews (Jews). In every town he visited, he went to the synagogue first, if they had one, or to the God-fearing Jews who met together if there were any. Throughout the...
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    Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

    Contradictions often stem from false presuppositions, as you well know. Since Hebrews was written by someone who knew Timothy, that person also must have known Paul and his teachings. So it is very likely that he wrote from Pauls doctrinal position. Therefore making it out to be non-Pauline is...
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