Amendment 62 / Personhood, gets more GOP support than in 2008

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By Charles Ashby
Monday, May 10, 2010


The last time the personhood amendment made the Colorado ballot in 2008, a number of anti-abortion Republican leaders either distanced themselves from it or outright opposed the idea because they said it went too far.

None of that seems to be the case with the 2010 version of the measure, political observers say.

As a result, all of the top-named GOP candidates for governor and the U.S. Senate have publicly supported the ballot question that would declare that life begins at conception.

That’s a big contrast from 2008, when such top GOP people as then-U.S. Senate candidate Bob Schaffer and Colorado Republican Party Chairman Dick Wadhams, among others, were outspoken critics of the ballot question that voters ultimately trounced by an overwhelmingly 3-1 margin.

This year’s ballot question, known as Amendment 62, is written virtually the same. Instead of saying a human life begins at the moment of fertilization, it says life begins at the “biological development” of that human being.

What’s the difference?

“There isn’t a big difference,” said Gualberto Garcia Jones, director of Personhood Colorado, the group that put both measures on the ballot. “It’s a technicality, but it’s not meant to mislead anyone or give us an excuse to do it again.”

The ultimate goal is to make abortion illegal, and the ballot means to do that by drawing what would almost certainly be a court challenge. Garcia Jones and other personhood supporters hope that inevitable lawsuit will lead to a reversal of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that led to legalized abortions.

In 2008, however, top GOP leaders such as Wadhams and Schaffer said if the personhood measure ended up in court, it ran the risk of solidifying that court ruling rather than reversing it.

But while Garcia Jones disagreed with arguments against the 2008 ballot question now just as much as he did then, he was surprised to learn it’s winning support among such mainstream political candidates as Jane Norton and Ken Buck, who are running for U.S. Senate, and Dan Maes and Scott McInnis, who announced his support for the idea at a Western Colorado Conservative Alliance debate last week.

“Just goes to show you, I’m the director of the campaign and I didn’t know that,”
he said. “If they’re supporting it, it’s probably because of a combination of their principles and the political climate.”

Democrats are just as much against the idea this year as they were the last time, and they’re not alone. The Colorado Catholic Conference, which represents the state’s three Catholic dioceses on matters of public policy, is expected to come out against it this year as it did in 2008.

Political pollster Floyd Ciruli said the politics behind the ballot question, just like politics in general this year compared to 2008, are entirely different.

That election was viewed as a big Democratic year, and polarizing GOP social issues such as abortion were unlikely to go anywhere, Ciruli said.

This year the political landscape is more favorable to Republicans, and any issue that would bring conservative voters to the polls is something they need to embrace, he said.

“This is a primary in which these front-runner candidates are being challenged by their right,” Ciruli said. “Not only do they need to win that challenge, they still need lots of enthusiasm from that block of voters. When you look down the repertoire of what they have said, they are consistently taking the most conservative views that they might have waffled on a few years ago.”

Like Ciruli, Wadhams said taking such far-right stances on social issues won’t hurt Republican candidates in general elections as they may have in the past, because the electorate as a whole isn’t focused on them.

Historically, candidates on both sides of the political aisle tended to steer clear of such hot-button issues that can pull them too far from the center. But this year, the focus is so directed on the economy, jobs and fiscal matters, such issues as abortion will almost go unnoticed, Wadhams said.

“I don’t think is this is going to be a defining issue in these campaigns either way,” he said. “What is far more of issue is the cost, scope, size and power of government. That has to do with the stimulus bill, the health care bill, cap and trade, car taxes. Those are the issues that define the agenda of 2010.”


By Charles Ashby
Monday, May 10, 2010

GJSentinel.com-Grand Junction Daily Sentinel
 

drbrumley

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Yep, the political climate is different to these people. :sigh: The difference I say is the dems are in charge.
 

Todah

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Interesting article and observations.......and nice Logo!

Unfortunately the Colorado Catholic Conference hierarchy, is not a political entity that is subject to the vote of its members. It is apparently, run by liberal democrat, "priests", and not men of God.

My sense of the Catholic laity of Colorado is that they would be overwhelmingly in favor of Amendment 62. However if the Conference and the archbishops recommend against 62, the majority of "good" Catholics will submit to their authority, the Church. I would like to think that they would choose their conscience over their bishop, but I tend to think not.

Interesting that the politicians react to the pressure of the people, but Catholics react to the pressure of their "politicians"...the bishops!

Let's pray that the Priests this time will listen to God, and the voice of the people of God.

Last time we lost by a 3 to 1 margin, in Colorado largely due to the loss of the Pro life Catholics, due to Archbishop Chaput, and the loss of pro-life evangelicals, through the lack of support from Dobson.

Whose voice will people listen to this time?........... And how many Coloradans are true Children of God?
 

Alate_One

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The problem with this bill is, "biological development" is obscure terminology. It could be conception, it could be something else. If a court challenge is the real point, the lack of clarity could be a problem. That said, that very language is probably most of the reason why there are more supporters this time.
 

WizardofOz

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I wonder if The Graphite, Nick M and the other federalist/authority flows downhill types support this measure.

Those damn states trying to flow authority uphill. How evil.
 

chrysostom

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why don't you understand that the only way to do something about abortion is to do something about the U.S. Supreme Court

it was there that it became legal
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it will be there the change must be made

you must replace liberals with conservatives and the only way to do that is to vote for republicans

and that is the truth
 

chrysostom

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oh
and before you try to tell me that the republicans had their chance
allow me to point out to you that it only takes 40 baby killing democrats in the senate to block a conservative judge
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I shouldn't have to tell you that
 

WizardofOz

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why don't you understand that the only way to do something about abortion is to do something about the U.S. Supreme Court

Bull

If these measures pass, are they not doing something about abortion?

Keep sitting on your hands. You'll be long dead before your preferred method saves a single life.

Why don't you understand that?

oh
and before you try to tell me that the republicans had their chance
allow me to point out to you that it only takes 40 baby killing democrats in the senate to block a conservative judge

How many GOP appointed justices would it take?

Again, the majority of justices who ruled on Roe v Wade were appointed by Republicans.
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I shouldn't have to repeatedly tell you that.

What do you disagree with?
 

Nick M

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I wonder if The Graphite, Nick M and the other federalist/authority flows downhill types support this measure.

Those damn states trying to flow authority uphill. How evil.

Actually, they are trying to save the babies life.
 

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Life doesn't start at conception. It is continued from the live parents in the living egg and sperm. That is why the evolutionists are looking for an alien life form. That is why we pasteurize milk, because life continues to the next organism, since we know there is no spontaneous generation. www.michigandersforlife.com
 

Yorzhik

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The point being, life is a continuum, but a particular humans starts at fertilization.
 

Nick M

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Interesting that they're jumping on board now. :think:

Politicians know how to stick their wet finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing. Or they just repented of what they know is wrong. I would like to believe the latter.

Sort of like the governator recently admitting he was wrong to listen to the will of the people in California and let them go down the path of socialism.
 

CabinetMaker

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I think the next step for this amendment is to figure out exactly why it lost. There is a reason people are voting against this amendment. If you figure out why people are voting against it so heavily and change it to address their concerns it might pass. Of course, it might not be possible to reconcile their concerns with the goals of the proponents but it might just be worth looking at.
 

Nathon Detroit

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I was wrong, it was a THREE to one margin. Change the hearts and minds first.
Sounds great. What do you suggest?

HINT: Having amendments like this on the ballot are one of the only ways you can get the entire state to ponder such issues. Therefore, the mere fact that the entire state (of voters) had to go into a room and make a choice to declare babies worth saving is in and of itself a victory. Changing hearts and minds of the population in mass takes bringing the issue to the masses, and a state wide vote is one of the few ways to bring the issue to the masses and make your position known.

Yesterday in Colorado near a half million people voted to determine that babies are people! That's encouraging!

That certainly isn't to say there are not other strategies that could be employed as well and I am all ears if you have a great idea.

You see... we are the kind of folks that want to use all the tools available to us to save babies.

- Change the hearts and minds? YES!
- Try to pass pro-life legislation? YES!
- Vote for pro-life candidates? YES!
- Counsel women considering abortion? YES!
- Preach from the pulpit about the sanctity of life? YES!
- Protest at abortion mills? YES!
- Debate online and face to face with pro-choice people? YES!
YES! YES! YES!

All of that and more.
 

Todah

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I was wrong, it was a THREE to one margin. Change the hearts and minds first.


Three to one would be 75% against and 25% for. In 2008 we received almost 27% yes. So this time we had an even lower percentage and a bigger defeat by comparison.

With 87% of the vote in the ratio was 70 to 30 %. I didn't have the heart to look at the final tally. Apparently it was even worse than I thought.
 

chrysostom

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You see... we are the kind of folks that want to use all the tools available to us to save babies.

- Change the hearts and minds? YES!
- Try to pass pro-life legislation? YES!
- Vote for pro-life candidates? YES!
- Counsel women considering abortion? YES!
- Preach from the pulpit about the sanctity of life? YES!
- Protest at abortion mills? YES!
- Debate online and face to face with pro-choice people? .

don't forget getting conservatives on the court
 
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