For Noncatholics: Coming to Mass

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
Hypothetically, if you were to come to Mass, here is what you will see and an explanation.

First of all remember that Catholics are all priests, and we are coming to Mass to celebrate our liturgy together. Liturgy is work; priestly work, and while we are all priests equally (Galations 3:28), there are helpers, who we call priests (admittedly, confusingly), who facilitate the liturgy for us, as our helpers.

First thing when you enter the building, is that there is blessed water available (this is currently on hold because of the covid), and us priests will frequently dab our fingers in the blessed water and then make a sign on ourselves with the water.

There is always a cabinet, or a kind of low-security safe, usually around the altar at the front of the church. We will kneel in the direction of that cabinet before we take our seat in a pew. In this safe, is any sacrifice that has already been offered on the altar in a previous Mass.

Once the Mass begins, our helper the priest, who facilitates or 'presides' over this celebration of our priestly liturgy, will make a sign in the air, and all us priests follow his lead by making that same sign on ourselves, like we did with the blessed water when we first entered.

Then later on in the Mass, we will all lower our 'kneelers', which are usually padded, and kneel upon them, this is just before our helper the priest begins to 'consecrate' our collective offering of bread and wine, so that it might be acceptable to our deity, Whom we call "God the almighty Father".

Later still, we will all line up to partake of the offering ourselves, we get to eat the bread and drink from the wine (the partaking of the cup is still suspended due to the covid, which is also typical during flu season). Many of us will bow or kneel just before receiving the bread that was sacrificed.

Before we leave after the liturgy, we will also kneel to the cabinet near the altar.

There are a variety of other rituals that we might do; for any of you familiar with the Assemblies of God or other 'Pentecostal' traditions, you might say that we Catholics are very 'charismatic' in our liturgy, with all these little rituals and signs we do and make.

And this is why I'll remind you again, that we are all equal priests (Galatians 3:28), and these routines that we observe are priestly. What I want you to think of is another culture, with another religion, and this hypothetical culture has its own priests, and those hypothetical priests of this hypothetical culture practicing a hypothetical religion, they all do certain things that we really only see priests do; all the other people do not do them.

In the Church, there are no "other people". We are all priests. So we all do priestly things like dab our fingers in blessed water, make signs on ourselves, bow, kneel, recite certain words, and partake of our altar, etc., just like priests in other religions.

Come, to Mass. You are welcome.
 

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In the Church, there are no "other people". We are all priests. So we all do priestly things like dab our fingers in blessed water, make signs on ourselves, bow, kneel, recite certain words, and partake of our altar, etc., just like priests in other religions.
It's so odd that our apostle Paul never even ONCE uses the words "priest" or "priesthood" in ANY of his THIRTEEN epistles.

Why is that?
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
Come, to Mass. You are welcome.
But I hope that it's clear, and if it's not I remedy that now, that only the priests need concern themselves with doing any of the rituals that I've described. You don't, as a non-priest (Noncatholic), have to feel any sort of obligation to do what the rest of us are doing, we not only understand, but we commend you for just sitting while everybody else stands, and just sitting when everyone else is kneeling, and just walking past the blessed water while everyone else dabs themselves with it, making a symbol on their bodies.

Please don't come forward to receive the sacrifice though, that's reserved particularly for priests who have kept themselves in a state of ritual purity, specifically so that we can licitly partake of the altar.
 

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But I hope that it's clear, and if it's not I remedy that now, that only the priests need concern themselves with doing any of the rituals that I've described. You don't, as a non-priest (Noncatholic), have to feel any sort of obligation to do what the rest of us are doing, we not only understand, but we commend you for just sitting while everybody else stands, and just sitting when everyone else is kneeling, and just walking past the blessed water while everyone else dabs themselves with it, making a symbol on their bodies.

Please don't come forward to receive the sacrifice though, that's reserved particularly for priests who have kept themselves in a state of ritual purity, specifically so that we can licitly partake of the altar.
People that have bought so deeply into false religion make me sad (for them).

No member in the body of Christ needs purity rituals to be cleansed by the blood of Christ.

The RCC "Mass" is a pagan ritual that any Christian should stay as far away from as possible.
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
People that have bought so deeply into false religion make me sad (for them).

No member in the body of Christ needs purity rituals to be cleansed by the blood of Christ.

The RCC "Mass" is a pagan ritual that any Christian should stay as far away from as possible.
In contrast to RD's Dispensationalism, we observe certain biblical purity rituals like 1st Corinthians 6:18, rendered "Flee fornication" in the KJB, 'flee sexual immorality' in modern versions, and flee 'porneia' in "the Greek." If we violate this purity ritual or the others, then we aren't licitly permitted to receive the Eucharist anymore, and Paul's warnings in 1st Corinthians 11 apply.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
RD's Dispensationalism believes that Paul here refers to a New Covenant liturgy that does not apply to the Body of Christ, and all of the lessons and principles that Paul expresses here are also in-one-ear-and-out-the-other to Dispensationalism.
 

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In contrast to RD's Dispensationalism, we observe certain biblical purity rituals like 1st Corinthians 6:18, rendered "Flee fornication" in the KJB, 'flee sexual immorality' in modern versions, and flee 'porneia' in "the Greek." If we violate this purity ritual or the others, then we aren't licitly permitted to receive the Eucharist anymore, and Paul's warnings in 1st Corinthians 11 apply.
"Fleeing fornication" is a "Biblical purity ritual"? You are hilarious in your religious confusion.
RD's Dispensationalism believes that Paul here refers to a New Covenant liturgy that does not apply to the Body of Christ, and all of the lessons and principles that Paul expresses here are also in-one-ear-and-out-the-other to Dispensationalism.
Paul does not teach any of Israel's new covenant to the body of Christ. We are NOT Israel... we are a NEW CREATURE.
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
"Fleeing fornication" is a "Biblical purity ritual"?
Yes. It's biblical. And it's not for everybody, it's just for believers.

I admit that it's also profitable, but that's not why Paul commands the Church to do it, he does so for the sake purity, which is ritual, not salvific.
You are hilarious in your religious confusion.
You are hilarious in your religious confusion.
Paul does not teach any of Israel's new covenant to the body of Christ.
Right---even though directly before my excerpt he writes, "After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood", which obviously refers to what Hebrews 13:20 calls "the blood of the everlasting covenant"---unless you care to contend that these are or refer to two different things?
We are NOT Israel... we are a NEW CREATURE.
I never said I was Israel or that the Church is Israel. Those are your words not mine. And I'm just following Paul's words, to the Church.
 

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Yes. It's biblical. And it's not for everybody, it's just for believers.
"Fleeing immorality" is not a RITUAL of any kind. So no, your idea is NOT "biblical".
Right---even though directly before my excerpt he writes, "After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood", which obviously refers to what Hebrews 13:20 calls "the blood of the everlasting covenant"---unless you care to contend that these are or refer to two different things?
Paul is recounting what Jesus said. Paul is NOT saying that the body of Christ is UNDER a covenant of any kind.
Paul's point is that Jesus' death/blood paid for our sins.
1Co 11:26 KJV For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
THAT is the point... NOT Israel's covenant.
I never said I was Israel or that the Church is Israel. Those are your words not mine. And I'm just following Paul's words, to the Church.
Many of your RCC friends here do say that the "Church" is the "New Israel". So I thought that this is an RCC doctrine. Is it not?
 
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Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
Many of your RCC friends here do say that the "Church" is the "New Israel". So I thought that this is an RCC doctrine. Is it not?
It doesn't appear so:
839 The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People:
When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, the first to hear the Word of God. The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

840 and when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
 
Hypothetically, if you were to come to Mass, here is what you will see and an explanation.

First of all remember that Catholics are all priests, and we are coming to Mass to celebrate our liturgy together. Liturgy is work; priestly work, and while we are all priests equally (Galations 3:28), there are helpers, who we call priests (admittedly, confusingly), who facilitate the liturgy for us, as our helpers.

First thing when you enter the building, is that there is blessed water available (this is currently on hold because of the covid), and us priests will frequently dab our fingers in the blessed water and then make a sign on ourselves with the water.

There is always a cabinet, or a kind of low-security safe, usually around the altar at the front of the church. We will kneel in the direction of that cabinet before we take our seat in a pew. In this safe, is any sacrifice that has already been offered on the altar in a previous Mass.

Once the Mass begins, our helper the priest, who facilitates or 'presides' over this celebration of our priestly liturgy, will make a sign in the air, and all us priests follow his lead by making that same sign on ourselves, like we did with the blessed water when we first entered.

Then later on in the Mass, we will all lower our 'kneelers', which are usually padded, and kneel upon them, this is just before our helper the priest begins to 'consecrate' our collective offering of bread and wine, so that it might be acceptable to our deity, Whom we call "God the almighty Father".

Later still, we will all line up to partake of the offering ourselves, we get to eat the bread and drink from the wine (the partaking of the cup is still suspended due to the covid, which is also typical during flu season). Many of us will bow or kneel just before receiving the bread that was sacrificed.

Before we leave after the liturgy, we will also kneel to the cabinet near the altar.

There are a variety of other rituals that we might do; for any of you familiar with the Assemblies of God or other 'Pentecostal' traditions, you might say that we Catholics are very 'charismatic' in our liturgy, with all these little rituals and signs we do and make.

And this is why I'll remind you again, that we are all equal priests (Galatians 3:28), and these routines that we observe are priestly. What I want you to think of is another culture, with another religion, and this hypothetical culture has its own priests, and those hypothetical priests of this hypothetical culture practicing a hypothetical religion, they all do certain things that we really only see priests do; all the other people do not do them.

In the Church, there are no "other people". We are all priests. So we all do priestly things like dab our fingers in blessed water, make signs on ourselves, bow, kneel, recite certain words, and partake of our altar, etc., just like priests in other religions.

Come, to Mass. You are welcome.

A protestant will never see or understand the true miracle of he Mass, unless God removes the scales from their eyes and lets them see. Its nice to come and join in the prayers and fellowship and all that, but the center of the Mass in a matter of faith, miraculously transcending time and being present at the sacrifice of Christ, and receive the Body and Blood of Christ.
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
A protestant will never see or understand the true miracle of he Mass, unless God removes the scales from their eyes and lets them see. Its nice to come and join in the prayers and fellowship and all that, but the center of the Mass in a matter of faith, miraculously transcending time and being present at the sacrifice of Christ, and receive the Body and Blood of Christ.
But regardless of whether someone believes or not, if you go to Mass you are in His Real Presence, so there is a benefit for you even if you don't know He is there.
 

Catholic Crusader

Kyrie Eleison
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Hypothetically, if you were to come to Mass, here is what you will see and an explanation.

First of all remember that Catholics are all priests, and we are coming to Mass to celebrate our liturgy together. Liturgy is work; priestly work, and while we are all priests equally (Galations 3:28), there are helpers, who we call priests (admittedly, confusingly), who facilitate the liturgy for us, as our helpers.

First thing when you enter the building, is that there is blessed water available (this is currently on hold because of the covid), and us priests will frequently dab our fingers in the blessed water and then make a sign on ourselves with the water.

There is always a cabinet, or a kind of low-security safe, usually around the altar at the front of the church. We will kneel in the direction of that cabinet before we take our seat in a pew. In this safe, is any sacrifice that has already been offered on the altar in a previous Mass.

Once the Mass begins, our helper the priest, who facilitates or 'presides' over this celebration of our priestly liturgy, will make a sign in the air, and all us priests follow his lead by making that same sign on ourselves, like we did with the blessed water when we first entered.

Then later on in the Mass, we will all lower our 'kneelers', which are usually padded, and kneel upon them, this is just before our helper the priest begins to 'consecrate' our collective offering of bread and wine, so that it might be acceptable to our deity, Whom we call "God the almighty Father".

Later still, we will all line up to partake of the offering ourselves, we get to eat the bread and drink from the wine (the partaking of the cup is still suspended due to the covid, which is also typical during flu season). Many of us will bow or kneel just before receiving the bread that was sacrificed.

Before we leave after the liturgy, we will also kneel to the cabinet near the altar.

There are a variety of other rituals that we might do; for any of you familiar with the Assemblies of God or other 'Pentecostal' traditions, you might say that we Catholics are very 'charismatic' in our liturgy, with all these little rituals and signs we do and make.

And this is why I'll remind you again, that we are all equal priests (Galatians 3:28), and these routines that we observe are priestly. What I want you to think of is another culture, with another religion, and this hypothetical culture has its own priests, and those hypothetical priests of this hypothetical culture practicing a hypothetical religion, they all do certain things that we really only see priests do; all the other people do not do them.

In the Church, there are no "other people". We are all priests. So we all do priestly things like dab our fingers in blessed water, make signs on ourselves, bow, kneel, recite certain words, and partake of our altar, etc., just like priests in other religions.

Come, to Mass. You are welcome.

A non-Catholic really needs to come with a mind and heart open to the Spirit of Truth.
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
... Please don't come forward to receive the sacrifice though ...
Here are two Catholic treasures, Father Mike Schmitz, and Father Casey Cole. Note the second video was just before Fr. Casey was ordained (so he was not "Father" yet).



But regardless of whether someone believes or not, if you go to Mass you are in His Real Presence, so there is a benefit for you even if you don't know He is there.
 

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50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”


The RCC is just like the blind guides who do not see his parable. Because he has blinded you. It is symbolic. Just like the tree of life (Jesus) and the tree of knowledge of good and evil (the law)

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
 
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