ECT JESUS NEVER TAUGHT SOLA SCRIPTURA
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musterion
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Just sayin'...
You just added to the Word of God. You don't think you did, but you did.
Cruciform
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It's a didactic illustration, not a literal quotation. Please learn how to read.
oatmeal
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Just sayin'...
You are just sayin'
Jesus Christ had a habit of confronting people with "it is written" or "have you not read?"
He didn't say, well in the opinion of the St. Augustine or according to the pope, or since the RCC has a tradition that flies in the face of scripture, well, we'll just put scripture in third place behind the papacy and man made traditions
Jesus did not quote the RCC, nor any of its traditions, nor the pope
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Just because Jesus appealed to the Old Testament as AN authority (and Catholics do the same) does not mean that Jesus believed that the OT was the ONLY authority. Try again.
oatmeal
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So you are just sayin' he referred to the popes and man's traditions and the RCC?
Dream on
Just sayin'...
Jesus cited the keys of knowledge to be the entire breadth of the old testament scriptures - the Hebrew division - and not the Septuagint - easily proven here:
Luke 11:50 so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.' 52"Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering."…
From the blood of Abel (Genesis) to the blood of Zechariah killed between the stones in the temple (2 Chronicles) is the hebrew scriptures - their division of scriptures has 2 Chronicles as the last book, instead of Malachi. So we know clearly what Jesus spoke from and cited.
He was saying the entire breadth of the word of God and death of all the prophets would be charged against them from beginning to end.
Just sayin'
Cruciform
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Of course not, since there was no Catholic Church until Jesus chose and ordained the apostles, who then began to ordain their own apostolic successors (bishops). Jesus did, however, hold and appeal to Jewish Oral Tradition along with the texts of the Old Testament---in short, Christ did not believe in sola scriptura.
Gaudium de veritate,
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Already answered (Post #5).
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You admit, then, that Jesus never taught sola scriptura. Noted.
keypurr
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You know me better than that friend.
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Then you must recognize that Jesus never taught sola scriptura, just as the OP correctly indicates.
I appreciate your post, A4T. "Them" happened to be the descendants of Cain, Jesus' detractors, He was specifically referring to... that generation of vipers. Jesus also referred to the First Book of Moses in Matthew 24:36, 37, 38, 39. And, what exactly does the alleged, one historic Catholic Church teach about the days of Noah? As in what happened in Noah's tent (Genesis 9:22 KJV)? Leviticus 18:8 KJV, Leviticus 20:11 KJV, Deuteronomy 22:30 KJV, Deuteronomy 27:20 KJV... Just sayin' that's simple enough... been in the Books some 6 thousand years... longer than the historic Catholic Church has been around. Ain't hearin' enough to figure out who that generation of vipers was who instigated the crucifixion fulfilling Genesis 3:15 KJV.
Jesus' arrival generation was prophesied in Genesis 4:24 KJV... "seventy and sevenfold." Try counting in Luke 3:38 KJV from God is generation #1, Adam generation #2, Seth #3... Jesus is the "seventy and sevenfold" generation from Almighty God, inclusively. Sounds to me like Jesus was right in Matthew 18:20... affirming the 'name' of Jesus. All 77 unadulterated generations, thereof. Aren't we supposed to baptize in the 'name' of Jesus? There's an angle that escapes the historic Catholic Church... been on the books for some 6 thousand years.
Since the Catholic Church proclaims itself as "Christ's one historic Church", I suggest the truth began in Genesis... and, it appears Jesus did also... Just saying'
kayaker
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If by "word" you mean "the Bible," then your cited text actually says no such thing. There is no mention whatsoever of "Scripture" in Ps. 119:160, but only of God's "word" or "message." In any case, when this Psalm was composed, there simply was no "Bible" as yet.
oatmeal
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Well, Jesus spent a lot of time learning, teaching and doing the written word, as comprehensive as the OT is, he had plenty of time surely to include Buddhist teachings or Hindu or Confucius into his preferred interpretation of scriptures?
What is funny is the Lord Jesus Christ constantly corrected them and how they added to the words of Moses with their traditions.
Matthew 15
Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”
3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites!
Matthew 15
Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”
3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites!
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