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Yup. B'zactly seven years' worth. For seven years the 144,000 saved jews (the men and women who dedicate their lives to preaching, 12,000 from each and every tribe, the very moment they see Christians in the air meeting with The Lord and the sign of the cross appearing from horizon to horizon all across the entire planet) take this Gospel across the planet and suffer martyrdom for it. There will be seven years of tribulation like the world has never seen. War, famine, disease, blood seas, blood fresh water, hail that weighs 35 lbs. each, locusts, etc., etc. ...

In His Second coming, Jesus will return to Mount Olivet with clouds of glory and His Foot will touch down right where It left. He will then begin his 1,000 year Kingdom and will rule the nations, replenishing this earth just as He told Adam to do, almost 7,000 years ago.
 
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Sure just like there is a difference between Israel and the Church.

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Aimiel

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chrysostom said:
it doesn't say He will reign
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Sure It does:

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

If Christ was not to sit upon the throne of David, why should God bring Him into the earth through David's line?

Psalm 132:11
The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

1 Kings 9:5
Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

1 Kings 2:45
And king Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the Lord for ever.
 
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For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
-1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

Yes, there is a difference.
 
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For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
-1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

Yes, there is a difference.
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Yes, and notice the difference:

The LORD 'Himself' gathers the BOC into the air, according to the new revelation given to Paul in 1Thess 4:15-17.


But, in these verses:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth[land] mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


The LORD sends 'angels/messengers' to gather Israel back to the land from the four corners of the earth, which is according to the revelation of OT prophecy.
 
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Yes, and notice the difference:

The LORD 'Himself' gathers the BOC into the air, according to the new revelation given to Paul in 1Thess 4:15-17.


But, in these verses:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth[land] mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


The LORD sends 'angels/messengers' to gather Israel back to the land from the four corners of the earth, which is according to the revelation of OT prophecy.
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:BRAVO:

I tip my hat to you, good sir.:e4e:
 
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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for March 25th, 2013 05:00 AM


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The "rapture" will be the final and universal resurrection, that leads to Judgment Day. See John 5:28-29, Rev. 20:11-15
 
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The great and awsome day of the Lord is a well prophecised event. The day of judgement is well known. Paul said the event he was speaking of was not revealed before him. They can't be the same event, even if you don't read the details of both. (judgement-passing over)
 
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Nick M said:
The great and awsome day of the Lord is a well prophecised event. The day of judgement is well known. Paul said the event he was speaking of was not revealed before him. They can't be the same event, even if you don't read the details of both. (judgement-passing over)
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Then why did Paul say the following to the BOC?

(1 Thess 5:2) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

Who told the Thessalonians that the Day of the Lord would come like a thief in the night?

Why would the Thessalonians need to know about the Day of the Lord, if according to dispensationalism, the Thessalonians would be allegedly "raptured" away before the Day of the Lord?

(1 Thess 5:4) But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

Again, if according to dispensationalism, the BOC is allegedly "raptured" away before the Day of the Lord, then why would the Thessalonians be told by Paul that the day would not surprise them?
 
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Then why did Paul say the following to the BOC?

(1 Thess 5:2) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

Who told the Thessalonians that the Day of the Lord would come like a thief in the night?

Why would the Thessalonians need to know about the Day of the Lord, if according to dispensationalism, the Thessalonians would be allegedly "raptured" away before the Day of the Lord?

(1 Thess 5:4) But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

Again, if according to dispensationalism, the BOC is allegedly "raptured" away before the Day of the Lord, then why would the Thessalonians be told by Paul that the day would not surprise them?
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In 1 Thess 4, Paul talks about Jesus' return, then he goes on in 1 Thess 5 to ensure that believers will be prepared. Jesus' return ONLY catches the unbelievers LIKE a thief, and Paul confirms we believers will not be caught by surprise. It won't surprise them because they have been taught about it.

This has NOT happened yet. There are distinct scriptural events that WILL take place when this does happen, despite your preterit view.
 
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tetelestai said:
There is no "rapture"

Jesus returned in 70AD
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Huh? I don't see Him.

The rapture is the invisible return of Christ FOR the Church, while the revelation/Second Coming is 7 years later when He comes back WITH the Church. We are in the indeterminate, interadvent period (two phases of one coming before the millennium).
 
Aimiel

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tetelestai said:
Then why did Paul say the following to the BOC?

(1 Thess 5:2) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

Who told the Thessalonians that the Day of the Lord would come like a thief in the night?

Why would the Thessalonians need to know about the Day of the Lord, if according to dispensationalism, the Thessalonians would be allegedly "raptured" away before the Day of the Lord?
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Because He wasn't kidding when He said that He didn't know the day or the hour... He thought that it could come at any time, just as we think the same thing... we might just be the generation (since we see Israel putting forth her shoots) which get raptured.

And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; when they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
(1 Thess 5:4) But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

Again, if according to dispensationalism, the BOC is allegedly "raptured" away before the Day of the Lord, then why would the Thessalonians be told by Paul that the day would not surprise them?
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Because, He said that we would be shown who the Man of Sin is...

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

When we see a 'falling away' and the Man of Sin revealed (every Christian will recognize him, since it will be impossible for him to fool the 'very elect' children of God) we will know that His coming (the rapture) is just around the corner. I believe that, knowing that the man we see on TV is going to put every soul who will not worship him to death, that the Body of Christ, as one, will unite under the banner of Love and go out into the streets and compel people to believe in Jesus, just before we decide the job is done and then we will hear the trumpet and jump off this rock. As a great evangelist is fond of saying: I want to be on my way up having a sinner in each hand and ask them, "Do you want to get saved, or should I let go?"
 
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