I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.

[Arthur Brain]

You have to fight the inhuman animals over there on your terms, or you'll fight them on their terms. It's been like this since WWII. Doesn't show any signs of stopping. Bring the fight to them; don't let them bring it to you; and they definitely WILL bring it to you if you let them, because they're inhuman animals over there. Just as soon as they can they'll nuke Israel. You can't let that happen and be a Christian.

All this war has "accomplished" is the replacing of one extremist regime with another, the closing of the strait of Hormuz, escalating gas prices at taxpayer expense because of aforementioned and the needless deaths and injuries among America's military.

 

[Idolater]

All this war has "accomplished" is the replacing of one extremist regime with another, the closing of the strait of Hormuz, escalating gas prices at taxpayer expense because of aforementioned and the needless deaths and injuries among America's military.

... AND it has thrown another wrench into their military aspirations, which are immoral, backward, outdated, primitive and barbaric. We NEED to keep doing this every so often, just to disrupt their savage plans. Imagine Bronze Age pagans but with modern weapons.

Now open your eyes because that's what they really are.

 

[Arthur Brain]

... AND it has thrown another wrench into their military aspirations, which are immoral, backward, outdated, primitive and barbaric. We NEED to keep doing this every so often, just to disrupt their savage plans. Imagine Bronze Age pagans but with modern weapons.

Now open your eyes because that's what they really are.

It's accomplished squat Idolater. There was no need to start a war with Iran but hey, it's handy to try and distract away from domestic issues such as. hmmm, the Epstein files?

 

[Idolater]

It's accomplished squat Idolater. There was no need to start a war with Iran but hey, it's handy to try and distract away from domestic issues such as. hmmm, the Epstein files?

You don't think we've damaged Iran's military capability? "Squat"? Really? You think Iran is just as far along on their timeline as they were before we started attacking them? Like not even a hiccup?

Really?

 

[Arthur Brain]

You don't think we've damaged Iran's military capability? "Squat"? Really? You think Iran is just as far along on their timeline as they were before we started attacking them? Like not even a hiccup?

Really?

Barely a dent, and certainly doesn't justify the deaths accrued and gas costs thanks to a guy who illegally started a war in the first place. (I mean, doesn't he boast about stopping wars? How many has he claimed to put an end to now, ten? Where?!)

 

[Idolater]

Barely a dent

And this is based on what?

 

[Arthur Brain]

And this is based on what?

Ongoing news. How many times has he claimed to have made a deal now? That is, when he isn't on a flurry of insane "Truth Social" nonsense threatening to end their entire civilization etc.

 

[Idolater]

Ongoing news. How many times has he claimed to have made a deal now? That is, when he isn't on a flurry of insane "Truth Social" nonsense threatening to end their entire civilization etc.

So how can you be so sure our military hasn't even dented their warfighting aspirations? Also, do you agree that Iran would nuke Israel in a heartbeat if they could? They've been funding and arming and they continue to fund and arm proxy militias whose sole goal as far as anybody can tell is to kill Israelis, are you seeing some other pattern? I mean they were behind the October 7th violence, don't you agree with that?

 

[JudgeRightly]

How many millions of dollars of taxpayers money was spent on yet another Trump vanity project?

Nowhere near the Billions of taxpayer dollars wasted by the left promoting their agenda and funding their own side.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Nowhere near the Billions of taxpayer dollars wasted by the left promoting their agenda and funding their own side.

So you admit that Trump has used taxpayer money to fund his pet vanity projects then? Well, that's something.

You'll have to provide factual support for your claim else it's just unsubstantiated opinion.

 

[annabenedetti]

He starts a war for no good reason and he expects them to negotiate in good faith?

He starts a war then claims victory by getting the strait back to being open the way it was before he started the war. He's saved the world from the problem he created. He didn't free the Iranian people, he didn't get Iran's uranium, he didn't make the Middle East safer, we lost American lives, we bombed a whole school full of girls, he caused global inflation and fertilizer shortage, and is floating a 300 billion dollar fund for Iran. So much winning...

 

[Arthur Brain]

He starts a war then claims victory by getting the strait back to being open the way it was before he started the war. He's saved the world from the problem he created. He didn't free the Iranian people, he didn't get Iran's uranium, he didn't make the Middle East safer, we lost American lives, we bombed a whole school full of girls, he caused global inflation and fertilizer shortage, and is floating a 300 billion dollar fund for Iran. So much winning...

This ^

 

[Arthur Brain]

So how can you be so sure our military hasn't even dented their warfighting aspirations? Also, do you agree that Iran would nuke Israel in a heartbeat if they could? They've been funding and arming and they continue to fund and arm proxy militias whose sole goal as far as anybody can tell is to kill Israelis, are you seeing some other pattern? I mean they were behind the October 7th violence, don't you agree with that?

The middle East is a hotbed of political and religious unrest, always has been unfortunately. The fact of the matter is that Iran doesn't have nuclear capability which obviously is just as well. If they posed any sort of significant threat then an invasion could be justified. They don't and it wasn't. Trump started an illegal war and has accomplished less than nothing.

 

[JudgeRightly]

So you admit that Trump has used taxpayer money to fund his pet vanity projects then? Well, that's something.

You'll have to provide factual support for your claim else it's just unsubstantiated opinion.

What a farce, Arthur.

Serves me right for thinking you were going to be intellectually honest this time.

You skipped right past my point about the billions spent by the left and went straight to labeling Trump’s actions “pet vanity projects.”

Labels are not arguments.

And no, I reject your framing entirely. Whether these are “pet vanity projects” is the very issue under dispute. You don’t get to assume your conclusion and then pretend I conceded it.

If your concern were really taxpayer money, you would address how the money is being used and why left-wing spending gets a pass.

Instead, your objection seems to be that Trump did it.

If you want to argue that the projects were unnecessary, ineffective, unlawful, or wasteful, then make that argument.

But merely calling them “pet vanity projects” is not an argument. It’s a substitute for one.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The middle East is a hotbed of political and religious unrest, always has been unfortunately. The fact of the matter is that Iran doesn't have nuclear capability which obviously is just as well. If they posed any sort of significant threat then an invasion could be justified. They don't and it wasn't. Trump started an illegal war and has accomplished less than nothing.

You're naïve. Or intentionally ignoring facts.



We blew up their production facilities. Or at least severely damaged them.

 

[Arthur Brain]

What a farce, Arthur.

Serves me right for thinking you were going to be intellectually honest this time.

You skipped right past my point about the billions spent by the left and went straight to labeling Trump’s actions “pet vanity projects.”

Labels are not arguments.

And no, I reject your framing entirely. Whether these are “pet vanity projects” is the very issue under dispute. You don’t get to assume your conclusion and then pretend I conceded it.

If your concern were really taxpayer money, you would address how the money is being used and why left-wing spending gets a pass.

Instead, your objection seems to be that Trump did it.

If you want to argue that the projects were unnecessary, ineffective, unlawful, or wasteful, then make that argument.

But merely calling them “pet vanity projects” is not an argument. It’s a substitute for one.

Until you provide factual support for your claim then you haven't got a point, just an opinion in need of such.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You're naïve. Or intentionally ignoring facts.

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We blew up their production facilities. Or at least severely damaged them.

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I'm quite up to speed with nuclear developments in Iran thanks and I'm certainly not naive enough to buy into Trump's "justification" to start an illegal war there.

 

[Idolater]

... he didn't make the Middle East safer ...

You know this how?

 

[Idolater]

... Iran doesn't have nuclear capability which obviously is just as well. If they posed any sort of significant threat then an invasion could be justified. They don't ...

You agree they fund and arm militias who seem hellbent on killing Israelis, yes? You agree Israel are our friends? and not our enemies? yes?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Until you provide factual support for your claim then you haven't got a point, just an opinion in need of such.

That is easy enough.

The Inflation Reduction Act created the $27 billion Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund. EPA announced $20 billion in grants under that fund, including billions to entities such as Climate United Fund, Coalition for Green Capital, and Power Forward Communities.

EPA also says the Inflation Reduction Act Environmental and Climate Justice Program appropriated $2.8 billion for financial assistance and another $200 million for technical assistance.

Reuters reported that, before Biden left office, about $96.7 billion in IRA clean-energy grants had been obligated.

Reuters also reported that CBO estimated Biden’s clean-energy tax subsidies would increase deficits by $825 billion over ten years.

So yes, “billions” was factual.

Now, you may approve of those programs. That is a different argument. But you asked for factual support that the left spent billions of taxpayer dollars advancing its own agenda. There it is.

I'm quite up to speed with nuclear developments in Iran thanks and I'm certainly not naive enough to buy into Trump's "justification" to start an illegal war there.

That is not an answer.

I did not ask whether you “buy Trump’s justification.”

You claimed Iran did not pose a significant threat, and you claimed Trump accomplished “less than nothing.” Those are the claims being challenged.

A regime enriching uranium near weapons-grade, funding hostile proxies, and operating protected nuclear infrastructure is obviously a significant threat.

And if U.S. strikes damaged or destroyed Iranian nuclear/enrichment infrastructure, then “less than nothing” is simply false.

You can argue the action was unlawful. You can argue it was strategically unwise. You can argue it did not solve the entire Iran problem. Fine.

But those are different arguments.

So pick one and defend it.

Are you claiming Iran was not a significant threat?

Are you claiming its nuclear infrastructure was not hit?

Or are you only arguing that hitting it was not worth the cost?

Those are not the same claim.