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But He gives His standard verbally, and if there's some way that He can be said not to be iniquitous, then He would have to be consistent with the standard He has given in words, or He would be a divided kingdom that cannot stand. This is the argument against higher Calvinism that says God WANTS...

You just cited a verse that says how morality applies to the perfect Creator God. He is "without iniquity". How can anyone be judged "without iniquity" unless a moral standard is applied to him?

Yes. And that means that there is a code of morality Abraham was applying to God. It means that if God took the lives of the "righteous" along with the wicked, it would be immoral in Abraham's view. Whether Abraham was correct about that assertion is not provided in the passage, but God agreed...

I'll accept that definition, but it requires understanding of what "moral" means, which is the topic of the thread. But if "our" is applied to God, then it ceases to be murder, even if it is innocent blood? Why do you think this? Then it would be impossible for us to shed innocent blood for...

Wow, Clete, you might be legitimately showing yourself to be losing any semblance of logical thought. Ok, but how does that negate Abraham's question? An extremely weird way to describe death, by the way. Why would such a description be necessary, do you think? Isn't it because you feel that...

So Abraham thought God could possibly be taking a life unrighteously. Thanks for validating my position, and showing that, you've grouped me, the most despicable person on TOL, with Abraham. But your argument was that they deserve it. Deserved death is by definition not murder, so that would...

Oh, you're right. I thought it was still @Nick M. Sorry to both of you for the mistake. No, he didn't accuse God of murder, but he questioned whether God would be just killing the righteous with the wicked. Hardly, since you refer to it below. You believe that babies in the womb deserve to...

Murder could also be defined as an unjust killing of a human. Abraham questioned whether that would have been right for God to do. @Right Divider said it was blasphemy to question whether God could murder, so it seems like Abraham is guilty of RD's blasphemy charge. I don't understand why your...

You're accusing Abraham of blasphemy?

Why is "Can God commit murder?" an illogical thought? Murder, being the unwarranted taking of human life, might be possible for God. Abraham, who isn't normally thought of as illogical, thought God might be committing murder (or something similarly unrighteous) if He destroyed as few as Jesus 10...

Why would you expect him to answer 16 questions when you've seen already how seldom he answers questions?

Was Abraham wrong to question God's morality regarding taking of human life? [Gen 18:23, 25 KJV] – 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? ... 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the...

Funny that after so much time spent on this thread, you're still only able to articulate something you say is "something like" open theism. Spend some time finding out what open theists actually say before critiquing them.

I allowed for that in my post, which you abbreviated. Can God murder?

What "here" are you talking about? Earth? God tells us He is going to make His home on Earth, so it seems odd to say it is a punishment of some sort. We came to earth because we chose our will over His?? And we can do that better with reincarnation? I'm not seeing that in scripture at all...