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  1. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I don't see any disagreement between us about the reality of time and space. They are realities for us and God. The question I have about gravity is, what is it pulling that is weak vs what is gravity not pulling because it's not weak? --Dave
  2. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I don't see us disagreeing on time and space accept that you call them only "concepts" but then affirm their reality. I think you're in error in your use of the word concept. But other than that we are clearly both open theists. As far as gravity I don't think you understand my problem with it...
  3. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I've seen this and many others like it. I understand the basic heliocentric model and never doubted it before. There are new videos that show how the flat earth model works but I want to add commentary before I post them. And as I have said, the flat earth must pass this test of how the sun...
  4. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The stars are always moving--rotating above earth. What you see from the northern half of earth is not what you see from the most southern part of earth. The sun, moon, and stars are not the millions of miles away as per the heliocentric model. Because they are much closer, perspective and...
  5. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The moon images are not "false" they just don't need a ship in order to be seen the same way. The pic of earth is no different than those computer generated by NASA and are just as fake. Why would a "privately funded" group lie? I suppose for the same reason a "government funded" one would...
  6. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I didn't invent the arguments for flat earth. I may have stated them differently at times but I had to study flat earth to understand it. Spinning globe's so called proofs have been challenged so we have this debate. I have maintained that no one need be accused of being insane or an idiot...
  7. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Photo taken from a Nikopn P900. You don't need a moon lander to get these pics of the moon. This pic is computer generated. --Dave
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Empirical evidence and logic drive us to the truth. Observation and experience from earth tell us the heavenly bodies move over a motionless flat earth. This also is consistent with the Bible taken literally. --Dave
  9. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    As to your first paragraph. It's not that I don't want space and time to be real and not real. What I don't want is space and time to be the same thing as Einstein made it. Time keeps everything from happening all at once for us and God. It's irrational to say God does everything all at once...
  10. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I think their families know the truth. As far as the floods effect on cosmology I have not had time as yet to look at all the material you gave me. I have been working the past four days but now I'll have the next three days off to view it. --Dave
  11. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Don't worry, I haven't added FE to my website. But I think it's time for me to reveal more of my motivation. One of my most important contributions to "open theism" is that time is not a thing in itself, time is an aspect of God's intrinsic nature--God is free. God moves himself. He can do...
  12. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You have my reasons why I have doubts about the heliocentric model and why I believe flat earth has valid arguments. I have not tied my faith in the Bible, the existence and nature of God, or the deity of Christ to any particular cosmology. Anyone in my mind could be flat earth, geocentric, or...
  13. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    There's a big difference between propagating a claim and investigating a claim. There are still unanswered questions for me on cosmology. I don't see this debate as the end of life or faith as some of you see it. There are arguments that favor flat earth that keeps me pursuing it. To...
  14. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I'm not making the claim, I'm looking into a claim that has already been made by others. That NASA has lied to us about the moon landings and about the earth being a globe is what this op is about. It's not wicked to investigate this or anything else. --Dave
  15. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Empirical evidence is the information received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and documentation of patterns and behavior through experimentation. The term comes from the Greek word for experience. --Wiki We can watch the videos from high altitude balloons literally from the...
  16. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Here is professor Resnik speaking. There are a few more video on line of both women speaking and in the comparison of both we look to see if there is a reasonable possibility that both women could be the same person. ---Dave
  17. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Empirical evidence is the information received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and documentation of patterns and behavior through experimentation. The term comes from the Greek word for experience. --Wiki --Dave
  18. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Here are picture comparisons of Judith Resnik--Astronaut and Law Professor Is Judith Resnik Astronaut and Law Professor the same person? In this video we can hear Astronaut Resnick speak in an interview. In my next post we can hear Professor Resnick speak on a video. In the picture...
  19. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    If you understand physics so well then please explain it. So far you haven't explained anything. --Dave
  20. DFT_Dave

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Thanks. Good to be back! --Dave
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