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I see it because Paul talks about it. It's the state he says we don't long for, but it is something he has to address. Paul was in prison when he wrote this. You can see why he would prefer to die, calling it "gain", but was willing to stay as long as it was helpful. You can imagine, I think...

Why his spirit but not his soul? You say both go to be with the Lord (below), but it seems like the "soul" is usually regarded as the more prominent part of man, so why wouldn't Stephen say that. My answer is that he wasn't talking about a tripartite part of him, but the life that was originally...

And are you interested in finding out which one is true? Or just in promoting multicultural/relative truth, whether it is really true or not?

Didn’t God tell us through the prophets what Jesus was sent for? Isaiah 53:3-5 (KJV) 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and...

Here’s one—conveniently just a couple chapters earlier than the one you brought up about absent from the body. 2 Corinthians 3:7-9 (KJV) 7 But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of...

Well, that is part of what the thread is about. Can you give scripture that says the spirit and soul exist apart from the body? On the other part, you seem to agree with me about the “spiritual death” term being somewhat meaningless.

And that’s what determines eternal truth, where you grew up? I guess I’m not getting your point. If hell is real, and one avoids it by believing that Jesus rose from the dead, why does it matter where you grew up?

I agree that Paul isn’t saying we are dead, Yet Paul is telling us we are separated from God IN THE SAME WAY (using the same words) that @JudgeRightly is saying that Paul is telling us that we die physically—by a separation.

Are you saying one can only think about one of your points the first time one hears it? You do yourself a disservice, Brother. Many people don’t quite understand the full import of something they hear for the first time. But it’s worth the relook, so here I go. And by the way, I addressed one...

However it happened, I’m impressed with your back yard!!

Here’s an anti-open theist article showing that God changes in some ways: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html

This is a change

So? How does that affect what I wrote? God’s change, or lack thereof, in that verse is limited to what the verse is talking about. But we know God has a relationship with us, who have not existed forever, so that’s one kind of change the verse is NOT talking about.

It’s only a lie if “change” is defined in such an absolute way that it applies to everything about God—that’s the whole point, so I’m glad you picked up on it. Once we see that it can’t apply to “everything” about God, it forces us to seek the limits of the scope of the passage, which is in...

Maybe. Or this Exodus 14:8 (KJV) And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

My version doesn’t have an Ex 17:18.

Well, not a redefinition from TheFreeDictionary.com, I agree. Surely a usage of a word that has persisted for well over a thousand years, much longer than our English language has existed, would be included in most English dictionaries. But I’m contending that it’s a redefinition from what God...

Unrelated, but it's amazing how often this subject comes up, don't you think?

Here are some more changes, @Leatherneck God’s knowledge changes: Genesis 22:12 (KJV) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me. God’s Spirit isn’t...

Isn’t that what you’re doing, following after traditions of man, when you use a single scripture, interpreted through the lens of immutability to say God changes in no way whatsoever, when God tells us all kinds of ways that He changes?