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Thanks for the response, Crete. I still plan to do a fuller response to your post in the other thread, but it needs more attention than I’ve had to give it. Is it possible, in your opinion, that the commas may be misplaced in Luke 23:43, or are they inspired by God to be where Luke put them?

Scripture doesn’t talk about a “paradise side” of Sheol. It’s inferred at the most. What does “captivity” refer to? Isn’t the grave a place of captivity? Wouldn’t taking it captive mean taking away its power to hold onto people? But if Jesus ascended to where Abraham was, then Jesus death is...

You mean like a bird building a nest, or a beaver building a dam? Of course! And how do they know how to do that?

So you don’t know that Abraham is in Hades.

You’re assuming that “the spirit” here is referring to a part of the person, and that the person still exists without the body. Even if I grant you that a person is made up of body soul and spirit, or even body and spirit, the person would no longer be a person when one of those was missing.

How much of what you wrote came from the Lazarus/rich man text, and how much from your own mind/memory of what others have told you? For instance, where in the text does it say there was a paradise side of Sheol? We can tell from the story Jesus told was that Lazarus was NOT where the rich man...

Thanks! Can you explain how you think it applies ?

That's correct! And you are focusing more than energy into your lawn. You are also reversing entropy of your lawn with order, as sentient beings have the power to do.

This came up in another thread, and I'm moving here to discuss in more depth. In particular @JudgeRightly, @Clete, @Leatherneck, and @Right Divider all made some response. I'll try to respond to each in time, but I'll start with JudgeRightly. My position is that when someone is dead, they are...

Energy can't overcome entropy, but entropy will overcome energy.

The Catholic church isn't catholic.

You're catholic, but not Catholic.

At least when we start from the same scripture, we have a chance of ending up with the same conclusion. Starting without scripture, it’s all opinion.

I think we’re in agreement that omniscience doesn’t provide the how, it only supplies the what—and then some may extrapolate too far on the what when they assume the how. If the Bible is exhaustive in its description of the how, which I doubt, then it helps us determine the what, and why...

While I agree that the time was probably short—one rotation of the earth—it’s circular to define a day by 24 hours, since an hour is defined as 1/24th of a day.

In general, I agree with your post, but not with the last part. God is presented as already knowing about Cain. Genesis 4:10 (KJV) And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. Now, whether God knew about Able’s fate because He saw it...

Looks like you jumped right in, based on posts I saw already. Welcome.

I'll start a thread, but not tonight. I'll try to get it done and answer your and @Clete's posts in it.

He existed before His body existed. He’s not just human, but also God. In those ways He’s not a man. Man returns to dust. I don’t know what Jesus returned to. It’s possible that as a man, He ceased to exist, but because He existed without the man part, I don’t know what that would look like for...

And where do those spirits go? Are they alive somewhere waiting for new, glorified bodies? Rather “spirit” in those cases, and in ours, makes more sense as a life force, or “breath”. Job 27:3 (KJV) All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils; “Breath” is...