Bob v. Hussein Ibish re: Iraq
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Flipper
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That was actually a pretty good debate. Enyart was fair in his moderating (he's not always) and both sides held their ends up well. I would have agreed with Bob had it not been for the fact that the Bush administration had planned so very poorly for the peace. That didn't really seem to sit well with the just war concept. The bloodier and more uncertain the peace, the iffier his proposition looks. I also disagreed with him strongly regarding whether the occupation of Iraq is a defeat for Al Quaeda. Hardly. Terrorist groups generally don't care much about controlling territory so long as they have some place they can operate. They care more about public perception and recruits.
That in mind, Afghanistan was a blow because it put an end to overt organized training efforts.
That in mind, Afghanistan was a blow because it put an end to overt organized training efforts.
Flipper
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Yeah, not really one of his better quotes. A paraphrase might be:
Let's go in there and crush the standing army but fail to have an actual plan for managing the peace. Then, when the country is really screwed up and becoming a terrorist-magnet, let's hand it off to the UN so we can blame them for the increasingly likely miserable outcome, especially if large-scale bloodshed then ensues. It will be very important to do this if it looks like more people are dying in the instability than they were under Saddam Hussein.
Let's go in there and crush the standing army but fail to have an actual plan for managing the peace. Then, when the country is really screwed up and becoming a terrorist-magnet, let's hand it off to the UN so we can blame them for the increasingly likely miserable outcome, especially if large-scale bloodshed then ensues. It will be very important to do this if it looks like more people are dying in the instability than they were under Saddam Hussein.
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