The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Lon

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The OT scripture was all redone in Babylon but a proud church that is accustomed to confessing the faults of the rest of the world is too proud to confess it's own.

Um, I'm not quoting it to you because of your disdain. I'm looking for other sources and other ideas to get you to realize some things about it.
We have the truth of Hebrew history, it's not pretty. The deliberate attempt to convert ordinary secular history into a miraculous fiction left tele tale signs of what the other more or less accurate Hebrew history books said before they destroyed them all.
You make a LOT of these unfounded oddball accusations. Not one of them is true. You'd have to quote or link to others who you've read. It looks to me, like you make this stuff up.

Childish? Even as a child I knew the flood story was not true.
Interesting, there are many movies about the flood. Disney, Paramount, Steven Spielberg, Cecil B. DeMille, Epic of Gilgamesh. How about the UB? :nono: Not one. I don't remember a movie about Jesus coming to America either. The Mormons have a few bucks, I expect it won't be a block buster though.

That's the one where God becomes frustrated at his own creation (an obvious human characterization) drowns the whole earth with the exception of the ancestors of the Hebrews who wrote the story, but keeps Satan alive ??????? to start the whole mess over again! And.....it didn't even work!
Why are you even on a Christian website? :noway: That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Strange. I'd not come to a Mormon or Urantia board and look for personal space for Christianity. I would never even think to seek you out. :wazzup:


Sorry Lon, the train left that station long ago.
You entirely missed the moral of that story. See, it has a moral. The UB "plantings on Urantia?" :nono: Remember them finding a large ship on Ararat? What archeology have you got for the UB? :nono: Nada, nothing. There is no manuscript to find for "Jesus early life." It was made up. The UB is as weird and as bad as the BoM. Notice they don't come begging off space on TOL to present their book. I don't even think the Mormons would buy into the UB, and you are both pressed from the same cloth.

Archeology can and does verify OT and NT as historical, not made up. That is never going to happen with Mormon and Urantia dupes. Mormonism was debunked long ago when they found and deciphered the Egyptian burial instructions. Brain-dead Mormons didn't see that as a nail in Joseph Smith's coffin. Strange stuff. You guys make no sense.
 

Lon

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Still don't know what the issue is, the Life Carriers normally bring life with them from their headquarters world and implant that primitive life which then evolves. Not so on this world, they actually created the primitive life forms right here 550,000,000 years ago then implanted it like they normally do.
"They" actually didn't A couple of men and women in an apartment said they did while they were making stuff up around a type writer playing Old Maid.
The creation story of the Hebrews confuses the first 6 days Adam and Eve spent surveying the garden prepaired for them by the inhabitents of earth with a 6 day creation. The Hebrew writers knew nothing about the real 1,000,000 history of man.
Yeah, I get that you think that. As I said, it is strange to come to a website and try to start a cult on foreign soil. No Christian is going to buy into this absurdity and blasphemy.
The Urantia Book reveals a great deal of information about the universe, the history of our world, and the entire life of Jesus. Claiming the UB has no spiritual input is just an incompetent statement. You haven't read any of the book obviously.
I've read enough of it. Shoot, if you guys aren't quoting the prime stuff, then you ought to begin. I haven't read one interesting or intelligent thing from it in this whole thread. I can give you a good two dozen of my favorite verses and tell you why they are spiritually meaningful to me and that encapsulate my faith. Urantia has none of that. It is just a Alien fantasy story and useless facts and information. Yep I've read it, not impressed. Not even a little bit. Read the whole thing? :nono: It is too juvenile. It reminded me of days correcting student papers where I had to wade through stuff that was from a middle schooler's mind. I don't have a middle schooler's mind, so I wasn't interested or entertained by it. It becomes a chore to correct after the 100th paper.
 

freelight

Eclectic Theosophist
Comparisons......

Comparisons......

There is no manuscript to find for "Jesus early life." It was made up.

The papers clearly state where the material for Jesus life was taken from, the various records, etc.

See Papers 120 & 121 here (index)

Acknowledgement:



121:8.12 [Acknowledgment: In carrying out my commission to restate the teachings and retell the doings of Jesus of Nazareth, I have drawn freely upon all sources of record and planetary information. My ruling motive has been to prepare a record which will not only be enlightening to the generation of men now living, but which may also be helpful to all future generations. From the vast store of information made available to me, I have chosen that which is best suited to the accomplishment of this purpose. As far as possible I have derived my information from purely human sources. Only when such sources failed, have I resorted to those records which are superhuman. When ideas and concepts of Jesus' life and teachings have been acceptably expressed by a human mind, I invariably gave preference to such apparently human thought patterns. Although I have sought to adjust the verbal expression the better to conform to our concept of the real meaning and the true import of the Master's life and teachings, as far as possible, I have adhered to the actual human concept and thought pattern in all my narratives. I well know that those concepts which have had origin in the human mind will prove more acceptable and helpful to all other human minds. When unable to find the necessary concepts in the human records or in human expressions, I have next resorted to the memory resources of my own order of earth creatures, the midwayers. And when that secondary source of information proved inadequate, I have unhesitatingly resorted to the superplanetary sources of information.

121:8.13 The memoranda which I have collected, and from which I have prepared this narrative of the life and teachings of Jesus—aside from the memory of the record of the Apostle Andrew—embrace thought gems and superior concepts of Jesus' teachings assembled from more than two thousand human beings who have lived on earth from the days of Jesus down to the time of the inditing of these revelations, more correctly restatements. The revelatory permission has been utilized only when the human record and human concepts failed to supply an adequate thought pattern. My revelatory commission forbade me to resort to extrahuman sources of either information or expression until such a time as I could testify that I had failed in my efforts to find the required conceptual expression in purely human sources.

121:8.14 While I, with the collaboration of my eleven associate fellow midwayers and under the supervision of the Melchizedek of record, have portrayed this narrative in accordance with my concept of its effective arrangement and in response to my choice of immediate expression, nevertheless, the majority of the ideas and even some of the effective expressions which I have thus utilized had their origin in the minds of the men of many races who have lived on earth during the intervening generations, right on down to those who are still alive at the time of this undertaking. In many ways I have served more as a collector and editor than as an original narrator. I have unhesitatingly appropriated those ideas and concepts, preferably human, which would enable me to create the most effective portraiture of Jesus' life, and which would qualify me to restate his matchless teachings in the most strikingly helpful and universally uplifting phraseology. In behalf of the Brotherhood of the United Midwayers of Urantia, I most gratefully acknowledge our indebtedness to all sources of record and concept which have been hereinafter utilized in the further elaboration of our restatement of Jesus' life on earth.]



The UB is as weird and as bad as the BoM.

As I shared earlier here, you cannot compare the UB with the BoM,.....as one familiar with both books I know whereof I speak. I grew up LDS and having done extensive research on mormonism in the past left that institution in the late 1980s just before that time of considering serving as a missionary. I've debated mormons here in the past as well, and was even considering starting a thread on Joseph Smith's seerstone which the Church released recently, but that's another subject.

Notice they don't come begging off space on TOL to present their book.

I don't think anyone here 'begged' to start a thread on the UB, neither is anyone parading the UB as the inerrant, infallible word of God as some other books are claimed to be. We had a former thread "Intro. to the Urantia Papers" so this is not a new or novel intro. My commentary is freely available in the entirety of this thread, I merely serving as an expositor, expounder and director of 'creative dialogue' as I've done for over a decade here on a variety of topics. The UB is one religious book among others, each book having its own value or significance within context of the greater whole.

I don't even think the Mormons would buy into the UB, and you are both pressed from the same cloth.

The Mormon Corporation of course would not accept the UB since they have their 'standard works' already and are basically bound to their 'scriptures', apparently devoid of any new progressive revelations but modifications to make themselves more 'mainstream Christian' and palatable to the masses. Again, the UB is much more sophisticated, advanced and comprehensive than the BoM that is a quarter of its size, and covers so much more than BoM could ever hope to. In content and significance of context in so many dimensions there is no comparison.

Some think the UB may be part of the 'greater portion' prophesied to come forth in the latter days, giving much more revelation than the 'lesser portion' found in the BoM, but I still see little correlation between the UB and mormonism except for the universal moral values and principles taught by most all religions, and the core teachings of Jesus, which support a foundation for the 'Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man'.

Links:

TUB and the BoM

UB and the BoM (Truthbook)

Below is a video by UrantianArtist on YouTube, who is from an LDS background....she has other videos that cover similarities and differences between mormonism and the UB.

The UB - A new revelation?


Len McKee shares his lds background and introduction to the UB below. While he may believe the UB is the greater portion prophesied in the BoM to come, it still is very different from the BoM in many ways and a unique revelation unto itself.

Is the UB the 'greater portion' ?


Is the UB the 'greater portion'? Part 2
 
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freelight

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First 12 papers are fundamental......

First 12 papers are fundamental......

I've read enough of it. Shoot, if you guys aren't quoting the prime stuff, then you ought to begin. I haven't read one interesting or intelligent thing from it in this whole thread.

So you've read the whole thread? A lot has been covered, quoted and written about here, much from myself, as well as video-presentations on the first 10 papers...and more. Until you've read the whole thread I wouldn't make such grandiose claims above. Your MO here appears to be only to belittle, marginalize and ridicule.

I can give you a good two dozen of my favorite verses and tell you why they are spiritually meaningful to me and that encapsulate my faith. Urantia has none of that. It is just a Alien fantasy story and useless facts and information. Yep I've read it, not impressed. Not even a little bit. Read the whole thing? :nono: It is too juvenile. It reminded me of days correcting student papers where I had to wade through stuff that was from a middle schooler's mind. I don't have a middle schooler's mind, so I wasn't interested or entertained by it. It becomes a chore to correct after the 100th paper.

I challenge you to read the first 12 papers if you would be educated on the fundamental theology which is central to the whole of revelation. Index here. Otherwise your continual condescending remarks and vitriol of the book is rather juvenile and is just so much more ignorance, presumption and bigotry.

If you have the integrity to engage respectfully in an informed manner instead of pejorative speech, you may learn something new and enjoy the adventure of expanding consciousness. Or you can be like the other bigots here who ridicule, deride and refuse to learn the fundamental principles and cosmology of the papers. This is a discussion thread. As I shared...all my opinions, observations and commentary on the papers can be found on the thread here, of which I was thinking to make an index-archive...since much has been covered already. One can also use the thread-search feature here to look up a subject we may have already covered here.
 

Caino

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"They" actually didn't A couple of men and women in an apartment said they did while they were making stuff up around a type writer playing Old Maid.

Yeah, I get that you think that. As I said, it is strange to come to a website and try to start a cult on foreign soil. No Christian is going to buy into this absurdity and blasphemy.

I've read enough of it. Shoot, if you guys aren't quoting the prime stuff, then you ought to begin. I haven't read one interesting or intelligent thing from it in this whole thread. I can give you a good two dozen of my favorite verses and tell you why they are spiritually meaningful to me and that encapsulate my faith. Urantia has none of that. It is just a Alien fantasy story and useless facts and information. Yep I've read it, not impressed. Not even a little bit. Read the whole thing? :nono: It is too juvenile. It reminded me of days correcting student papers where I had to wade through stuff that was from a middle schooler's mind. I don't have a middle schooler's mind, so I wasn't interested or entertained by it. It becomes a chore to correct after the 100th paper.

You sound just like people who claim that Jesus was just a carpenter from Nazareth, a political reformer put to death by the Roman state and immortalized by his followers afterwards. But you and I both know that isn't true, we both believe in Jesus even though we weren't there????

There are soooo many great parts to the UB to choose from, I will select one that stands out for me from Jesus.


THE DISCOURSE ON TRUE RELIGION​



155:5.1 This memorable discourse on religion, summarized and restated in modern phraseology, gave expression to the following truths:

155:5.2 While the religions of the world have a double origin—natural and revelatory—at any one time and among any one people there are to be found three distinct forms of religious devotion. And these three manifestations of the religious urge are:


1. Primitive religion. The seminatural and instinctive urge to fear mysterious energies and worship superior forces, chiefly a religion of the physical nature, the religion of fear.

2. The religion of civilization. The advancing religious concepts and practices of the civilizing races—the religion of the mind—the intellectual theology of the authority of established religious tradition.

3. True religion—the religion of revelation. The revelation of supernatural values, a partial insight into eternal realities, a glimpse of the goodness and beauty of the infinite character of the Father in heaven—the religion of the spirit as demonstrated in human experience.

155:5.6 The religion of the physical senses and the superstitious fears of natural man, the Master refused to belittle, though he deplored the fact that so much of this primitive form of worship should persist in the religious forms of the more intelligent races of mankind. Jesus made it clear that the great difference between the religion of the mind and the religion of the spirit is that, while the former is upheld by ecclesiastical authority, the latter is wholly based on human experience.

155:5.7 And then the Master, in his hour of teaching, went on to make clear these truths:

155:5.8 Until the races become highly intelligent and more fully civilized, there will persist many of those childlike and superstitious ceremonies which are so characteristic of the evolutionary religious practices of primitive and backward peoples. Until the human race progresses to the level of a higher and more general recognition of the realities of spiritual experience, large numbers of men and women will continue to show a personal preference for those religions of authority which require only intellectual assent, in contrast to the religion of the spirit, which entails active participation of mind and soul in the faith adventure of grappling with the rigorous realities of progressive human experience.


155:5.9 The acceptance of the traditional religions of authority presents the easy way out for man's urge to seek satisfaction for the longings of his spiritual nature. The settled, crystallized, and established religions of authority afford a ready refuge to which the distracted and distraught soul of man may flee when harassed by fear and tormented by uncertainty. Such a religion requires of its devotees, as the price to be paid for its satisfactions and assurances, only a passive and purely intellectual assent.


155:5.10 And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence—man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him.

155:5.11 The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind—the theology of authority—requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinctively shun the spirit struggles and mental uncertainties associated with those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul.


155:5.12 And Jesus went on to say: “At Jerusalem the religious leaders have formulated the various doctrines of their traditional teachers and the prophets of other days into an established system of intellectual beliefs, a religion of authority. The appeal of all such religions is largely to the mind. And now are we about to enter upon a deadly conflict with such a religion since we will so shortly begin the bold proclamation of a new religion—a religion which is not a religion in the present-day meaning of that word, a religion that makes its chief appeal to the divine spirit of my Father which resides in the mind of man; a religion which shall derive its authority from the fruits of its acceptance that will so certainly appear in the personal experience of all who really and truly become believers in the truths of this higher spiritual communion.”


155:5.13 Pointing out each of the twenty-four and calling them by name, Jesus said: “And now, which one of you would prefer to take this easy path of conformity to an established and fossilized religion, as defended by the Pharisees at Jerusalem, rather than to suffer the difficulties and persecutions attendant upon the mission of proclaiming a better way of salvation to men while you realize the satisfaction of discovering for yourselves the beauties of the realities of a living and personal experience in the eternal truths and supreme grandeurs of the kingdom of heaven? Are you fearful, soft, and ease-seeking? Are you afraid to trust your future in the hands of the God of truth, whose sons you are? Are you distrustful of the Father, whose children you are? Will you go back to the easy path of the certainty and intellectual settledness of the religion of traditional authority, or will you gird yourselves to go forward with me into that uncertain and troublous future of proclaiming the new truths of the religion of the spirit, the kingdom of heaven in the hearts of men?”

155:5.14 All twenty-four of his hearers rose to their feet, intending to signify their united and loyal response to this, one of the few emotional appeals which Jesus ever made to them, but he raised his hand and stopped them, saying: “Go now apart by yourselves, each man alone with the Father, and there find the unemotional answer to my question, and having found such a true and sincere attitude of soul, speak that answer freely and boldly to my Father and your Father, whose infinite life of love is the very spirit of the religion we proclaim.”

155:5.15 The evangelists and apostles went apart by themselves for a short time. Their spirits were uplifted, their minds were inspired, and their emotions mightily stirred by what Jesus had said. But when Andrew called them together, the Master said only: “Let us resume our journey. We go into Phoenicia to tarry for a season, and all of you should pray the Father to transform your emotions of mind and body into the higher loyalties of mind and the more satisfying experiences of the spirit.”


155:5.16 As they journeyed on down the road, the twenty-four were silent, but presently they began to talk one with another, and by three o'clock that afternoon they could not go farther; they came to a halt, and Peter, going up to Jesus, said: “Master, you have spoken to us the words of life and truth. We would hear more; we beseech you to speak to us further concerning these matters.”


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Caino

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THE SECOND DISCOURSE ON RELIGION​



155:6.1 And so, while they paused in the shade of the hillside, Jesus continued to teach them regarding the religion of the spirit, in substance saying:

155:6.2 You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.

155:6.3 I have called upon you to be born again, to be born of the spirit. I have called you out of the darkness of authority and the lethargy of tradition into the transcendent light of the realization of the possibility of making for yourselves the greatest discovery possible for the human soul to make—the supernal experience of finding God for yourself, in yourself, and of yourself, and of doing all this as a fact in your own personal experience. And so may you pass from death to life, from the authority of tradition to the experience of knowing God; thus will you pass from darkness to light, from a racial faith inherited to a personal faith achieved by actual experience; and thereby will you progress from a theology of mind handed down by your ancestors to a true religion of spirit which shall be built up in your souls as an eternal endowment.

155:6.4 Your religion shall change from the mere intellectual belief in traditional authority to the actual experience of that living faith which is able to grasp the reality of God and all that relates to the divine spirit of the Father. The religion of the mind ties you hopelessly to the past; the religion of the spirit consists in progressive revelation and ever beckons you on toward higher and holier achievements in spiritual ideals and eternal realities.

155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge—perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?

155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, “He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God.” was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.

155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?

155:6.8 Every race of mankind has its own mental outlook upon human existence; therefore must the religion of the mind ever run true to these various racial viewpoints. Never can the religions of authority come to unification. Human unity and mortal brotherhood can be achieved only by and through the superendowment of the religion of the spirit. Racial minds may differ, but all mankind is indwelt by the same divine and eternal spirit. The hope of human brotherhood can only be realized when, and as, the divergent mind religions of authority become impregnated with, and overshadowed by, the unifying and ennobling religion of the spirit—the religion of personal spiritual experience.

155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience—uniformity of destiny—making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.

155:6.10 But watch, lest any of you look with disdain upon the children of Abraham because they have fallen on these evil days of traditional barrenness. Our forefathers gave themselves up to the persistent and passionate search for God, and they found him as no other whole race of men have ever known him since the times of Adam, who knew much of this as he was himself a Son of God. My Father has not failed to mark the long and untiring struggle of Israel, ever since the days of Moses, to find God and to know God. For weary generations the Jews have not ceased to toil, sweat, groan, travail, and endure the sufferings and experience the sorrows of a misunderstood and despised people, all in order that they might come a little nearer the discovery of the truth about God. And, notwithstanding all the failures and falterings of Israel, our fathers progressively, from Moses to the times of Amos and Hosea, did reveal increasingly to the whole world an ever clearer and more truthful picture of the eternal God. And so was the way prepared for the still greater revelation of the Father which you have been called to share.

155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness — justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of idealistic beauty.

155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Divine truth must not be discounted because the channel of its bestowal is apparently human. Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.

155:6.13 When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men's souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such eternal realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.

155:6.14 But do not make the mistake of trying to prove to other men that you have found God; you cannot consciously produce such valid proof, albeit there are two positive and powerful demonstrations of the fact that you are God-knowing, and they are:


1. The fruits of the spirit of God showing forth in your daily routine life.

2. The fact that your entire life plan furnishes positive proof that you have unreservedly risked everything you are and have on the adventure of survival after death in the pursuit of the hope of finding the God of eternity, whose presence you have foretasted in time.

155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. And with those honest but fearful souls whose faith is so weak that it amounts to little more than an intellectual conformity to a passive attitude of assent to religions of authority, the Father is ever alert to honor and foster even all such feeble attempts to reach out for him. But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.

155:6.18 You are my apostles, and to you religion shall not become a theologic shelter to which you may flee in fear of facing the rugged realities of spiritual progress and idealistic adventure; but rather shall your religion become the fact of real experience which testifies that God has found you, idealized, ennobled, and spiritualized you, and that you have enlisted in the eternal adventure of finding the God who has thus found and sonshipped you."
UB 1955
 

Lon

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So you've read the whole thread? A lot has been covered, quoted and written about here, much from myself, as well as video-presentations on the first 10 papers...and more. Until you've read the whole thread I wouldn't make such grandiose claims above. Your MO here appears to be only to belittle, marginalize and ridicule.
Not the entire thread, but in service to others and yourselves, a good portion of it.
To belittle, marginalize and ridicule? Yes. Again, as a service to you and others. That you were a Mormon and are now buying into this? Makes a lot of sense to me. The UB is not intelligent stuff.


I challenge you to read the first 12 papers if you would be educated on the fundamental theology which is central to the whole of revelation. Index here. Otherwise your continual condescending remarks and vitriol of the book is rather juvenile and is just so much more ignorance, presumption and bigotry.
You already gave me this challenge. I already did it.

I'd just rip it to shreds in front of you:

Pantheistic Eastern Mysticism UB said:
1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father.
:nono: Out of the gates, it is gold for the pantheist and absolute heresy to Judeo/Christianity. The ensuing paragraphs are ripped out of Jonathan Livingston Seagull. It is pure Eastern mysticism and incompatible with Christianity.
Pantheistic Eastern Mysticism UB said:
1:1.2 The Universal Father never imposes any form of arbitrary recognition, formal worship, or slavish service upon the intelligent will creatures of the universes.
:plain: Need I say more? :rolleyes:
If you have the integrity to engage respectfully in an informed manner instead of pejorative speech, you may learn something new and enjoy the adventure of expanding consciousness. Or you can be like the other bigots here who ridicule, deride and refuse to learn the fundamental principles and cosmology of the papers. This is a discussion thread. As I shared...all my opinions, observations and commentary on the papers can be found on the thread here, of which I was thinking to make an index-archive...since much has been covered already. One can also use the thread-search feature here to look up a subject we may have already covered here.
Not going to happen. The disdain only grows, Freelight. This is not intelligent stuff.
Eastern Mysticism works this way, but I don't think a Buddhist Meditation thread serves well on TOL. Argue about it, like here? Sure. Trying to promote another religion on TOL? I'm not sure that is in keeping with the purpose of this forum. I'm yet surprised Knight allows it. I suppose I should head over to "Ask Knight II" and see his thoughts on the matter.

-Lon
 

Caino

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Not the entire thread, but in service to others and yourselves, a good portion of it.
To belittle, marginalize and ridicule? Yes. Again, as a service to you and others. That you were a Mormon and are now buying into this? Makes a lot of sense to me. The UB is not intelligent stuff.



You already gave me this challenge. I already did it.

I'd just rip it to shreds in front of you:


:nono: Out of the gates, it is gold for the pantheist and absolute heresy to Judeo/Christianity. The ensuing paragraphs are ripped out of Jonathan Livingston Seagull. It is pure Eastern mysticism and incompatible with Christianity.

:plain: Need I say more? :rolleyes:

Not going to happen. The disdain only grows, Freelight. This is not intelligent stuff.
Eastern Mysticism works this way, but I don't think a Buddhist Meditation thread serves well on TOL. Argue about it, like here? Sure. Trying to promote another religion on TOL? I'm not sure that is in keeping with the purpose of this forum. I'm yet surprised Knight allows it. I suppose I should head over to "Ask Knight II" and see his thoughts on the matter.

-Lon

Revelation is always a threat to those who have created an institution out of the previous revelations. "They hated him without a cause." They still hate the God of Love further expounded upon in this latest revelation.
 

freelight

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Revelation is always a threat to those who have created an institution out of the previous revelations. "They hated him without a cause." They still hate the God of Love further expounded upon in this latest revelation.


Yes, some think they have a monopoly on God, and are stuck with old paradigms and programs long due of upgrading.

4:5.4 The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices and penance and even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile and primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings and the divine rulers who serve and reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath.
195:10.11 Christianity is seriously confronted with the doom embodied in one of its own slogans: “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” The non-Christian world will hardly capitulate to a sect-divided Christendom. The living Jesus is the only hope of a possible unification of Christianity. The true church—the Jesus brotherhood—is invisible, spiritual, and is characterized by unity, not necessarily by uniformity. Uniformity is the earmark of the physical world of mechanistic nature. Spiritual unity is the fruit of faith union with the living Jesus. The visible church should refuse longer to handicap the progress of the invisible and spiritual brotherhood of the kingdom of God. And this brotherhood is destined to become a living organism in contrast to an institutionalized social organization. It may well utilize such social organizations, but it must not be supplanted by them.
 

journey

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Revelation is always a threat to those who have created an institution out of the previous revelations. "They hated him without a cause." They still hate the God of Love further expounded upon in this latest revelation.

The problem is that the urantia papers are not a revelation of God, nor are they inspired by God. They are UFO fiction.
 

freelight

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Your stinking thinking is a problem.....

Your stinking thinking is a problem.....

The problem is that the urantia papers are not a revelation of God, nor are they inspired by God. They are UFO fiction.


You have been corrected already here and many times elsewhere. You sound like a broken record except the tune has no melody and is discordant, since its falsehood.

The UB has no association with UFOs. So stop saying this. You are fixated on a lie which does not support any integrity or respect in your case.
 

Caino

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You have been corrected already here and many times elsewhere. You sound like a broken record except the tune has no melody and is discordant, since its falsehood.

The UB has no association with UFOs. So stop saying this. You are fixated on a lie which does not support any integrity or respect in your case.

He isn't an honest person Freelight, it doesn't matter what you explain, he has no defence against this gift from Christ Michael. These same people would have hated him then. I just put the hecklers on ignore.
 

journey

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You have been corrected already here and many times elsewhere. You sound like a broken record except the tune has no melody and is discordant, since its falsehood.

The UB has no association with UFOs. So stop saying this. You are fixated on a lie which does not support any integrity or respect in your case.

First, I don't want any respect from a urantia UFO cult member. Second, the ub and you aren't authorities on anything, so there has been no correction of any kind except in your direction. Google urantia UFO cult and read until you wear yourself out. I'll continue to call it what it is - urantia UFO cult.
 

TulipBee

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First, I don't want any respect from a urantia UFO cult member. Second, the ub and you aren't authorities on anything, so there has been no correction of any kind except in your direction. Google urantia UFO cult and read until you wear yourself out. I'll continue to call it what it is - urantia UFO cult.
Still a cult cause you fall for it to be the truth
 

Caino

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Still a cult cause you fall for it to be the truth

Would you say that about those who became followers of a carpenter from Nazareth of all places? Many of the followers of Jesus were persecuted by Old Testament Judaism. Today the same people use the Old Testament to discredit Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.

So, you don't have a point just a mean spirted accusation. UB readers are independent, diverse and we have no central organization preacher, guru or leader.
 

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"The time is ripe to witness the figurative resurrection of the human Jesus from his burial tomb amidst the theological traditions and the religious dogmas of nineteen centuries. Jesus of Nazareth must not be longer sacrificed to even the splendid concept of the glorified Christ. What a transcendent service if, through this revelation, the Son of Man should be recovered from the tomb of traditional theology and be presented as the living Jesus to the church that bears his name, and to all other religions! Surely the Christian fellowship of believers will not hesitate to make such adjustments of faith and of practices of living as will enable it to “follow after” the Master in the demonstration of his real life of religious devotion to the doing of his Father's will and of consecration to the unselfish service of man. Do professed Christians fear the exposure of a self-sufficient and unconsecrated fellowship of social respectability and selfish economic maladjustment? Does institutional Christianity fear the possible jeopardy, or even the overthrow, of traditional ecclesiastical authority if the Jesus of Galilee is reinstated in the minds and souls of mortal men as the ideal of personal religious living? Indeed, the social readjustments, the economic transformations, the moral rejuvenations, and the religious revisions of Christian civilization would be drastic and revolutionary if the living religion of Jesus should suddenly supplant the theologic religion about Jesus.

To “follow Jesus” means to personally share his religious faith and to enter into the spirit of the Master's life of unselfish service for man. One of the most important things in human living is to find out what Jesus believed, to discover his ideals, and to strive for the achievement of his exalted life purpose. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it.

The common people heard Jesus gladly, and they will again respond to the presentation of his sincere human life of consecrated religious motivation if such truths shall again be proclaimed to the world. The people heard him gladly because he was one of them, an unpretentious layman; the world's greatest religious teacher was indeed a layman.

It should not be the aim of kingdom believers literally to imitate the outward life of Jesus in the flesh but rather to share his faith; to trust God as he trusted God and to believe in men as he believed in men. Jesus never argued about either the fatherhood of God or the brotherhood of men; he was a living illustration of the one and a profound demonstration of the other." UB 1955
 

Aimiel

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Would you say that about those who became followers of a carpenter from Nazareth of all places? Many of the followers of Jesus were persecuted by Old Testament Judaism. Today the same people use the Old Testament to discredit Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.

So, you don't have a point just a mean spirted accusation. UB readers are independent, diverse and we have no central organization preacher, guru or leader.

You do, you just don't recognize the fact that Satan is leading you by the nose when you follow demonic doctrine. It's more subtle than you think. You're following darkness but it seems like light. It's called deception.
 

TulipBee

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Would you say that about those who became followers of a carpenter from Nazareth of all places? Many of the followers of Jesus were persecuted by Old Testament Judaism. Today the same people use the Old Testament to discredit Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.

So, you don't have a point just a mean spirted accusation. UB readers are independent, diverse and we have no central organization preacher, guru or leader.
The followers wrote under the power for the holy spirit. Big difference that it is the opposite from being inspired by unfamiliar celestials. They both sound the same but one is confirmed and the other is guesswork
 

Caino

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The followers wrote under the power for the holy spirit. Big difference that it is the opposite from being inspired by unfamiliar celestials. They both sound the same but one is confirmed and the other is guesswork

That wasn't my question, would you call followers of Jesus in Jerusalem cult members?
 
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