The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Melchizedek was a celestial being who incarnate as a full grown adult 1,973 BC in order to pave the way for the coming Son of God. He established a colony in Salem from which he sent out missionaries for the teaching of the One God. It was Melchizedek who made the covenant with Abram as the visible representative of God.


AFTER MELCHIZEDEK'S DEPARTURE



93:9.1 It was a great trial for Abraham when Melchizedek so suddenly disappeared. Although he had fully warned his followers that he must sometime go as he had come, they were not reconciled to the loss of their wonderful leader. The great organization built up at Salem nearly disappeared, though the traditions of these days were what Moses built upon when he led the Hebrew slaves out of Egypt.

93:9.2 The loss of Melchizedek produced a sadness in the heart of Abraham that he never fully overcame. Hebron he had abandoned when he gave up the ambition of building a material kingdom; and now, upon the loss of his associate in the building of the spiritual kingdom, he departed from Salem, going south to live near his interests at Gerar.

93:9.3 Abraham became fearful and timid immediately after the disappearance of Melchizedek. He withheld his identity upon arrival at Gerar, so that Abimelech appropriated his wife. (Shortly after his marriage to Sarah, Abraham one night had overheard a plot to murder him in order to get his brilliant wife. This dread became a terror to the otherwise brave and daring leader; all his life he feared that someone would kill him secretly in order to get Sarah. And this explains why, on three separate occasions, this brave man exhibited real cowardice.)

93:9.4 But Abraham was not long to be deterred in his mission as the successor of Melchizedek. Soon he made converts among the Philistines and of Abimelech's people, made a treaty with them, and, in turn, became contaminated with many of their superstitions, particularly with their practice of sacrificing first-born sons. Thus did Abraham again become a great leader in Palestine. He was held in reverence by all groups and honored by all kings. He was the spiritual leader of all the surrounding tribes, and his influence continued for some time after his death. During the closing years of his life he once more returned to Hebron, the scene of his earlier activities and the place where he had worked in association with Melchizedek. Abraham's last act was to send trusty servants to the city of his brother, Nahor, on the border of Mesopotamia, to secure a woman of his own people as a wife for his son Isaac. It had long been the custom of Abraham's people to marry their cousins. And Abraham died confident in that faith in God which he had learned from Melchizedek in the vanished schools of Salem.

93:9.5 It was hard for the next generation to comprehend the story of Melchizedek; within five hundred years many regarded the whole narrative as a myth. Isaac held fairly well to the teachings of his father and nourished the gospel of the Salem colony, but it was harder for Jacob to grasp the significance of these traditions. Joseph was a firm believer in Melchizedek and was, largely because of this, regarded by his brothers as a dreamer. Joseph's honor in Egypt was chiefly due to the memory of his great-grandfather Abraham. Joseph was offered military command of the Egyptian armies, but being such a firm believer in the traditions of Melchizedek and the later teachings of Abraham and Isaac, he elected to serve as a civil administrator, believing that he could thus better labor for the advancement of the kingdom of heaven.

93:9.6 The teaching of Melchizedek was full and replete, but the records of these days seemed impossible and fantastic to the later Hebrew priests, although many had some understanding of these transactions, at least up to the times of the en masse editing of the Old Testament records in Babylon.

93:9.7 What the Old Testament records describe as conversations between Abraham and God were in reality conferences between Abraham and Melchizedek. Later scribes regarded the term Melchizedek as synonymous with God. The record of so many contacts of Abraham and Sarah with "the angel of the Lord" refers to their numerous visits with Melchizedek.

93:9.8 The Hebrew narratives of Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph are far more reliable than those about Abraham, although they also contain many diversions from the facts, alterations made intentionally and unintentionally at the time of the compilation of these records by the Hebrew priests during the Babylonian captivity. Keturah was not a wife of Abraham; like Hagar, she was merely a concubine. All of Abraham's property went to Isaac, the son of Sarah, the status wife. Abraham was not so old as the records indicate, and his wife was much younger. These ages were deliberately altered in order to provide for the subsequent alleged miraculous birth of Isaac.

93:9.9 The national ego of the Jews was tremendously depressed by the Babylonian captivity. In their reaction against national inferiority they swung to the other extreme of national and racial egotism, in which they distorted and perverted their traditions with the view of exalting themselves above all races as the chosen people of God; and hence they carefully edited all their records for the purpose of raising Abraham and their other national leaders high up above all other persons, not excepting Melchizedek himself. The Hebrewscribes therefore destroyed every record of these momentous times which they could find, preserving only the narrative of the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek after the battle of Siddim, which they deemed reflected great honor upon Abraham.

93:9.10 And thus, in losing sight of Melchizedek, they also lost sight of the teaching of this emergency Son regarding the spiritual mission of the promised bestowal Son; lost sight of the nature of this mission so fully and completely that very few of their progeny were able or willing to recognize and receive Michael when he appeared on earth and in the flesh as Machiventa had foretold.

93:9.11 But one of the writers of the Book of Hebrews understood the mission of Melchizedek, for it is written: "This Melchizedek, priest of the Most High, was also king of peace; without father, without mother, without pedigree, having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made like a Son of God, he abides a priest continually." This writer designated Melchizedek as a type of the later bestowal of Michael, affirming that Jesus was "a minister forever on the order of Melchizedek." While this comparison was not altogether fortunate, it was literally true that Christ did receive provisional title to Urantia "upon the orders of the twelve Melchizedek receivers" on duty at the time of his world bestowal."
 

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Their is a simple, overlooked fact about Melchizedek and Abram. The narrative is retrospective in the Bible is retrospective. Notice that Melchizedek was already priest of the God that Abraham converted to away from his fathers religion from beyond the rivers. The UB revelas that Melchizedek was the ones that Abraham made his agreement with. And just as Jesus used bread and wine to seal the deal as opposed to sacrifices, Melchizedek did the same.






From the Bible:


"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine: and he was [is] the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, "Blessed be Abram to the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth, And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand".

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him . . . first being translated 'king of righteousness,' and then also king of Salem, meaning 'king of peace,' without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life . . ." (Hebrews 7:1 - 3).

The fragments of the Bible validate the UB revelation that Melchizedek was an incarnate being.
 

freelight

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Fragments of a forgotten faith.....

Fragments of a forgotten faith.....

Their is a simple, overlooked fact about Melchizedek and Abram. The narrative is retrospective in the Bible is retrospective. Notice that Melchizedek was already priest of the God that Abraham converted to away from his fathers religion from beyond the rivers. The UB revelas that Melchizedek was the ones that Abraham made his agreement with. And just as Jesus used bread and wine to seal the deal as opposed to sacrifices, Melchizedek did the same.


From the Bible:


"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine: and he was [is] the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, "Blessed be Abram to the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth, And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand".

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him . . . first being translated 'king of righteousness,' and then also king of Salem, meaning 'king of peace,' without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life . . ." (Hebrews 7:1 - 3).

The fragments of the Bible validate the UB revelation that Melchizedek was an incarnate being.

Yes....we learn more about Melchizedek from other records since the biblical one is incomplete. Another interesting book is The Keys of Enoch by J J Hurtak...that speaks more about the order of Melchizedek being one of many orders of sons of God assisting man in his spiritual evolution. So, details in this work differ in some respects but concur in the greater context of sons of God being sent to man to encourage, uplift and enlighten him in the ascension plan :)

Below is an interesting interview with the author -

The Melchizedek Mystery (an eclectic view from Tim Stouse)
 

Lon

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When/if God gets a hold of you, instead of you chasing every wind of doctrine/error, it will make all the difference. He is Lord, we are creatures and must bow. There is no apology for what just is. He is Lord by nature. We are created.

I see no justification for a 'closed canon' in the bible anywhere, so that is just a religious assumption honed by tradition and exclusivism. The Book of Revelation only mentions a warning to those who add to that particular book, NOT to the entire Bible. Furthermore as we've shared, John says there is much more that Jesus said and did that could fill volumes, but what he wrote was sufficient to give knowledge of eternal life. - we might add that he testifies only to what he reveals in that particular gospel-account....not any other, nor to any other collection of books later sanctioned by a church or religious organization. So, I see no reason to accept the doctrine of a 'closed canon' since revelation is progressive. This does not discount what has been written or given to us,....it just acknowledges that such is not the ONLY or FINAL revelation of God.
It is more than evident from a careful reading of scripture. Cain is wrong. It isn't political at all. It is evident from a scriptural reading. "But these are written that you might have life..."


Irrelevant.
:nono: You started with that false premise and have never left it. The doctrine, but not the poor false ways of thinking.




I don't believe so, that is your opinion.
:nono: Facts are facts. You and Cain will to not care. I came to the cross ready to bow to our Maker. This is foreign to self-willed men. It has no 'remember me when You come to Your kingdom' moments. Read the book. It is clearly written "that you may have life and this life is in the Son" 1 John 5:11
 

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Lon is living in Babylons version of Christ and doesn't even know his body is the cross, he thinks the spirit was nailed to a literal wooden cross shed red blood and physically died when that's a type and shadow that transpires in those chosen to waken in any given age, the story/states of the Christ journey happens in each man part of the Seed that falls from heaven, no man/carrier of the Divine seed can go to heaven who hasn't first descended into the elements flesh and blood, all the letter is symbolic and allegorical not secular history and transcends age time and all religious cultures and theatrics of this worlds stage.
 

Lon

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Lon is living in Babylons version of Christ and doesn't even know his body is the cross, he thinks the spirit was nailed to a literal wooden cross shed red blood and physically died when that's a type and shadow that transpires in those chosen to waken in any given age, the story/states of the Christ journey happens in each man part of the Seed that falls from heaven, no man/carrier of the Divine seed can go to heaven who hasn't first descended into the elements flesh and blood, all the letter is symbolic and allegorical not secular history and transcends age time and all religious cultures and theatrics of this worlds stage.

You are kidding yourself and missing the forest for the trees. When the Pharisees told Jesus they were not blind, he told them then that they owned their denial and therefore were no longer excused. Essentially, you are saying the same thing: "I'm not blind." Sorry bud, you don't know the same God I do. I bow to Him. Your God is you. He is found 'within.' You've literally just found yourself and crowned yourself. For you, there is no god. He is you. I REALLY pray you contemplate that for any amount of given moments. I was lost and was 'found' (Ephesians 2:8-9). Admit it, Zeke: you never really wanted the gospel. You always just wanted you and an excuse to just be you with it costing you nothing. Nothing at all. It is already all you have ever been. In the end, that will be hell-enough. I do not reckon to dictate to you or God what hell will be, but am simply saying you are already making that hell. When you get to the end, all you will have ever found is yourself and you will find yourself wanting. You cannot be your own god. Satan lied in the Garden. God is trying to save you from that through Jesus Christ. Listen. Have ears to hear.
 

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You are kidding yourself and missing the forest for the trees. When the Pharisees told Jesus they were not blind, he told them then that they owned their denial and therefore were no longer excused. Essentially, you are saying the same thing: "I'm not blind." Sorry bud, you don't know the same God I do. I bow to Him. Your God is you. He is found 'within.' You've literally just found yourself and crowned yourself. For you, there is no god. He is you. I REALLY pray you contemplate that for any amount of given moments. I was lost and was 'found' (Ephesians 2:8-9). Admit it, Zeke: you never really wanted the gospel. You always just wanted you and an excuse to just be you with it costing you nothing. Nothing at all. It is already all you have ever been. In the end, that will be hell-enough. I do not reckon to dictate to you or God what hell will be, but am simply saying you are already making that hell. When you get to the end, all you will have ever found is yourself and you will find yourself wanting. You cannot be your own god. Satan lied in the Garden. God is trying to save you from that through Jesus Christ. Listen. Have ears to hear.

One thing in you're assumptions that I would agree with, hell is a state of mind just like heaven is, I am not thee God as in the extroverted christian version teaches to its worldly minded personas, taught to look into history and the future for their understanding of the eternal Conscience that we all came from, you haven't grasp that the story of the birth/death of Christ happens within, which is what the Spirit teaches if you have ears to hear past the theological veil of exclusive creeds and dogmas, Philippians 2:5-11 states what kind of mind you are to experience if you really have the Spirit awake in you 1Cor 3:16, Acts 17:24, Luke 17:20-21, yet you love you're exclusive doctrine which hasn't a clue to the more excellent way because you can't while serving two masters, you're religion and this worlds fictional system is ingrained in that intellectual mind of straw, a hologram on plastic 1Cor 15:50.
 

freelight

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Our communion with divinity, and our immortality-potential......

Our communion with divinity, and our immortality-potential......


I was going to note the UB's teaching about our true self being a merging of our soul with the 'thought-adjuster' (TA), the TA being that God-fragment indwelling our mind, so that it is actually the very infinity of God, the presence of unqualified Deity within, while 'God' also remains omnipresent in the totality of space as the Infinite Spirit without. Neville portrays our own soul as being the same allegorical pictorization of Jesus Christ, since Jesus is the embodiment or prototype of the Spirit of God indwelling and dynamic in the personality and body of man. While Neville relates such in his own terms common to the New Thought movement and similar metaphysical schools, the UB has its own interesting terms, of course. In the UB, man's soul only becomes potentially and actually 'immortal' thru its inner-merging of the soul with the thought-adjuster, and this depends on man's free will choice to join with God's will and become one with it, embracing the love-principle, the divine will, the law of life itself. On the otherhand a soul could choose to reject life and embrace death, where such an embrace of iniquity actually disintegrates the soul, terminating its conscious existence as a living soul-personality. So, the choice ultimately for souls....is life or death, life from a full embrace of divine love and will, and death, the utter rejection of life, for the full fruition of sin is DEATH.

5:0.1 IF THE FINITE mind of man is unable to comprehend how so great and so majestic a God as the Universal Father can descend from his eternal abode in infinite perfection to fraternize with the individual human creature, then must such a finite intellect rest assurance of divine fellowship upon the truth of the fact that an actual fragment of the living God resides within the intellect of every normal-minded and morally conscious Urantia mortal. The indwelling Thought Adjusters are a part of the eternal Deity of the Paradise Father. Man does not have to go farther than his own inner experience of the soul's contemplation of this spiritual-reality presence to find God and attempt communion with him.

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5:1.5 However Urantia mortals may differ in their intellectual, social, economic, and even moral opportunities and endowments, forget not that their spiritual endowment is uniform and unique. They all enjoy the same divine presence of the gift from the Father, and they are all equally privileged to seek intimate personal communion with this indwelling spirit of divine origin, while they may all equally choose to accept the uniform spiritual leading of these Mystery Monitors.

5:1.6 If mortal man is wholeheartedly spiritually motivated, unreservedly consecrated to the doing of the Father's will, then, since he is so certainly and so effectively spiritually endowed by the indwelling and divine Adjuster, there cannot fail to materialize in that individual's experience the sublime consciousness of knowing God and the supernal assurance of surviving for the purpose of finding God by the progressive experience of becoming more and more like him.

5:1.7 Man is spiritually indwelt by a surviving Thought Adjuster. If such a human mind is sincerely and spiritually motivated, if such a human soul desires to know God and become like him, honestly wants to do the Father's will, there exists no negative influence of mortal deprivation nor positive power of possible interference which can prevent such a divinely motivated soul from securely ascending to the portals of Paradise.

For those interested in a more replete discourse on such, see - Paper 5, God's Relation to the Individual
 

Lon

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I was going to note the UB's teaching about our true self being a merging of our soul with the 'thought-adjuster' (TA), the TA being that God-fragment indwelling our mind, so that it is actually the very infinity of God
"I'm god, you're god, we don't need an actual and separate god..." :sigh: It all makes sense from a rejection of Biblical truth/Christianity standpoint. What doesn't make sense is why this asherah pole is on TOL.

Do you desire the interruptions and rejections by Christians?

Is it a negative attention thing?

"If I didn't have negative attention, I'd have none at all, or negligible, I'd have Caino and Zeke, but we could easily do this through a private server or on the Urantia board in peace..." :idunno:

Maybe you 3 should take advantage of "Biblical" and "Christian" discussion while you are here instead of doing a cultist pow wow of incredibly separatist interests of only you 3. Its a very small ingrown interest group. As is my custom, I'll try to interject "Biblical truth" and "Christianity" as is the nature of this website.
 

freelight

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Forum policing check.......

Forum policing check.......

"I'm god, you're god, we don't need an actual and separate god..." :sigh: It all makes sense from a rejection of Biblical truth/Christianity standpoint. What doesn't make sense is why this asherah pole is on TOL.

We're having a discussion. You're just interjecting to protest and complain about our allowance to do that.

You presume a generalized caricature of the theology we are discussing here (which from our liberal view is more eclectic, since some of us here include a synthesis of religious concepts and philosophies, integrated and relating them within a UB cosmology, more or less, since that's the primary subject here), besides misconstruing points like your assumption above that we are all gods. Jesus said that much by quoting Psalm 82, since human judges and rulers were called 'elohim'(God, gods, etc.), and recognized as the children of the Most High. The UB's theology is a 'relational' one (it does NOT teach that we are all our own 'gods', neither does it teach a pure form of pantheism)...it is adamantly against that. It does teach a hierarchal system of a Godhead (Paradise Trinity) with emenating orders of divine Sons of God, angels and other cosmic beings springing from that First Source and Center who is the Universal Father). The Universal Father abides on the Isle of Paradise in the very epi-center of the cosmos, so does have his own special holy habitation there, but also distributes his presence thru-out the universes via the 'thought-adjusters' which are actual fragments of the Father who indwell the minds of mortals, so that truly 'God' is omnipresent.

To begin a discussion you'd have to first have a basic understanding of the cosmology and hierarchal order within UB theology, and the nature and mission of thought-adjusters for starters, lest you continue to twist and presume so much.

See: Paper 107 - The original and nature of Thought Adjusters

Do you desire the interruptions and rejections by Christians?

Is it a negative attention thing?

Any are allowed to discuss the UB and the subjects we are covering here, since that's the purpose of the thread.

"If I didn't have negative attention, I'd have none at all, or negligible, I'd have Caino and Zeke, but we could easily do this through a private server or on the Urantia board in peace..." :idunno:

The UB is a significant religious work and ephochal revelation covering every aspect of human existence concerning man's origins and ultimate destiny, so it would naturally be an insightful and productive subject to discuss under the category of 'Religion'. In case you didn't notice, this is the 'Religion' section. Its NOT the Exclusive Christian Theology section.

Maybe you 3 should take advantage of "Biblical" and "Christian" discussion while you are here instead of doing a cultist pow wow of incredibly separatist interests of only you 3. Its a very small ingrown interest group. As is my custom, I'll try to interject "Biblical truth" and "Christianity" as is the nature of this website.

I've been here for over 15 years and have had my own threads and engaged in many other peoples threads on various theological subjects, so to assume I don't engage in 'biblical' subjects is a mis-sight on your part, not to mention your ignorance of my own biblical knowledge, in its breadth and scope. So, as per your 'custom' I recommend to cut back on the forum policing pomp act just a bit and engage the subject by first learning about it. Anyone by the way can brandy the terms 'biblical truth' or 'Christianity' around, and they will be defined differently by various religionists, depending on their denominational backgrounds and philosophical proclivities. You don't have a monopoly or patent on 'biblical truth' or 'Christianity'. - in fact, the 'Christianity' of modern times is quite different and evolved from the 'Christianity' existing in its seminal forms within the first few centuries.
 

Jacob

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Welcome everyone to the thread,

This space is dedicated to sharing and discussion of the Urantia Papers, or what formally came to be known in the public domain as the Urantia Book (UB), a large comprehensive tome of 196 Papers given to our planet in the early part of the 20th century by a group of celestial personalities, serving as the 5th epochal revelation to our planet 'Urantia' (Earth). The revelators used the highest concepts of knowledge among the archives of humanity at that time within the schools of science, religion, history and philosophy, expanding our conceptual frame-work of the universe and the purpose of creation in time and eternity, particularly explaining the ascension-program and eternal progression of souls in their journey towards divine perfection.




The volume is divided in 4 parts (online study edition indexed here) -

1. The Central and Superuniverses

2. The Local Universe

3. History of Urantia (planet Earth)

4. The Life and Teachings of Jesus


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These introductions below explain much more for those interested in discussing

The UB – an introduction

An introduction to the UB for Conservative Christians


Urantia Book Differences From Traditional Christian Beliefs

Truthbook Intro.

3-Part Video Introduction to the Urantia Book

Urantia Foundation Intro.

UB Websites Directory


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Open, explorative and insightful discussion is encouraged here concerning the cosmology, philosophy, theology revealed in the papers,...their concepts, ideals, values, meanings within the contextual frames provided, whether one sees this work as 'inspired', truly 'revelatory' (more or less) or as religious science fiction or a tapestry of amalgamated influences from various sources,...no matter,....respectful and civil dialogue is encouraged, for those interested in the many subjects covered in this work.

Thank You.


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freelight

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Sorry,..."No" is not an adequate response......

Sorry,..."No" is not an adequate response......



For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

- 1 Cor. 1:20, NKJV

So you see, ...just answering a "No" to various posts as is your custom, discounts the mighty YES of 'God', which is a positive affirmation,...not a 'negation' that you assume.

The reality of 'God' is in the affirmative -

1:2.1 God is primal reality in the spirit world; God is the source of truth in the mind spheres; God overshadows all throughout the material realms. To all created intelligences God is a personality, and to the universe of universes he is the First Source and Center of eternal reality. God is neither manlike nor machinelike. The First Father is universal spirit, eternal truth, infinite reality, and father personality.

1:2.7 The existence of God can never be proved by scientific experiment or by the pure reason of logical deduction. God can be realized only in the realms of human experience; nevertheless, the true concept of the reality of God is reasonable to logic, plausible to philosophy, essential to religion and indispensable to any hope of personality survival.

1:2.8 Those who know God have experienced the fact of his presence; such God-knowing mortals hold in their personal experience the only positive proof of the existence of the living God which one human being can offer to another. The existence of God is utterly beyond all possibility of demonstration except for the contact between the God-consciousness of the human mind and the God-presence of the Thought Adjuster that indwells the mortal intellect and is bestowed upon man as the free gift of the Universal Father.

There is more to the eternal reality and infinity of 'God' and the 'cosmos' than positing a mere "No" to every point of view, description or concept presented to you that does not agree with what your concept, opinion or belief of 'God'. Much MORE.

For readers following, I've also engaged Jacob on his own thread on the subject of the Shema here (beginning with post # 163), to which he applies the same response-patterns and evasion of discussion. I share what I see as the esoteric meaning and significance of the Shema, attesting to the singular nature, uniqueness and pre-eminence of Deity, as being the Self-existing One, the One Universal Father-Mother of all.
 

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For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

- 1 Cor. 1:20, NKJV

So you see, ...just answering a "No" to various posts as is your custom, discounts the mighty YES of 'God', which is a positive affirmation,...not a 'negation' that you assume.

The reality of 'God' is in the affirmative -



There is more to the eternal reality and infinity of 'God' and the 'cosmos' than positing a mere "No" to every point of view, description or concept presented to you that does not agree with what your concept, opinion or belief of 'God'. Much MORE.

For readers following, I've also engaged Jacob on his own thread on the subject of the Shema here (beginning with post # 163), to which he applies the same response-patterns and evasion of discussion. I share what I see as the esoteric meaning and significance of the Shema, attesting to the singular nature, uniqueness and pre-eminence of Deity, as being the Self-existing One, the One Universal Father-Mother of all.
freelight,

I did not post in response to you and I do not accept your post here.

Shalom.
 

freelight

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More than a "No".......

More than a "No".......

freelight,

I did not post in response to you and I do not accept your post here.

Shalom.


Jacob,

I respectfully responded to your inadequate "No", and for your information I composed (& reformatted) most if not all of the OP (opening post) with some editing and approval by Caino (the thread originator) since I thought the former Intro. in the OP needed a 'make-over' and to be more 'detailed'. Caino is more exclusive to the UB as a primary religious text or revelation, while I'm a bit more eclectic, a student of many different religious traditions, a universalist at heart :) For me, its all an exploration of consciousness, there are many wonderful dimensions and realms to explore/discover.

So, you are responding to 'Me' by responding to the OP, even if indirectly. Follow that? If you cannot intelligently engage my commentary-response to you, and engage in an actual dialogue on the subject, then why bother to post here? If you do put forth some actual responses, thoughtful insights, material in which I could respond to engage a dialogue, that would be wonderful,...but until then we don't have much to work with. This thread provides info. and resource on the UB (Urantia Book), IF you are interested, and an opportunity to discuss the material (or any religious/theological subject it expounds on). It might be well for you to expand your horizons, open your mind and at least engage in 'creative dialogue', explore the possibilities. If not, of course your free to spend your time elsewhere.

Remember, this is a DISCUSSION forum.

1:0.3 The enlightened worlds all recognize and worship the Universal Father, the eternal maker and infinite upholder of all creation. The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father.

1:0.6 This sublime search for the God of universes is the supreme adventure of the inhabitants of all the worlds of time and space.
 

Jacob

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Jacob,

I respectfully responded to your inadequate "No", and for your information I composed (& reformatted) most if not all of the OP (opening post) with some editing and approval by Caino (the thread originator) since I thought the former Intro. in the OP needed a 'make-over' and to be more 'detailed'. Caino is more exclusive to the UB as a primary religious text or revelation, while I'm a bit more eclectic, a student of many different religious traditions, a universalist at heart :) For me, its all an exploration of consciousness, there are many wonderful dimensions and realms to explore/discover.

So, you are responding to 'Me' by responding to the OP, even if indirectly. Follow that? If you cannot intelligently engage my commentary-response to you, and engage in an actual dialogue on the subject, then why bother to post here? If you do put forth some actual responses, thoughtful insights, material in which I could respond to engage a dialogue, that would be wonderful,...but until then we don't have much to work with. This thread provides info. and resource on the UB (Urantia Book), IF you are interested, and an opportunity to discuss the material (or any religious/theological subject it expounds on). It might be well for you to expand your horizons, open your mind and at least engage in 'creative dialogue', explore the possibilities. If not, of course your free to spend your time elsewhere.

Remember, this is a DISCUSSION forum.
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Lon

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Jacob,

I respectfully responded to your inadequate "No", and for your information I composed (& reformatted) most if not all of the OP (opening post) with some editing and approval by Caino (the thread originator) since I thought the former Intro. in the OP needed a 'make-over' and to be more 'detailed'. Caino is more exclusive to the UB as a primary religious text or revelation, while I'm a bit more eclectic, a student of many different religious traditions, a universalist at heart :) For me, its all an exploration of consciousness, there are many wonderful dimensions and realms to explore/discover.

So, you are responding to 'Me' by responding to the OP, even if indirectly. Follow that? If you cannot intelligently engage my commentary-response to you, and engage in an actual dialogue on the subject, then why bother to post here? If you do put forth some actual responses, thoughtful insights, material in which I could respond to engage a dialogue, that would be wonderful,...but until then we don't have much to work with. This thread provides info. and resource on the UB (Urantia Book), IF you are interested, and an opportunity to discuss the material (or any religious/theological subject it expounds on). It might be well for you to expand your horizons, open your mind and at least engage in 'creative dialogue', explore the possibilities. If not, of course your free to spend your time elsewhere.

Remember, this is a DISCUSSION forum.
It doesn't matter. Jesus is the Way, Truth, Life. Your eclectic bent is 'bent.' You will not, cannot receive that, but you can understand 'no.' Jacob was wholly adequate with the one word negation. I realize that's a disappointment to you, but the majority of us here on TOL actually believe Jesus. As I told you earlier, Joseph Smith did you no favors. It opened up a completely consistent canon against heretical thought. Christianity, is by nature, exclusive. So is marriage. So are families. Christianity is the only wholly consistent faith and truth. There is no acceptance of that from you or Caino or Zeke. Guess what, then? The feeling is mutual, yet this is an unapologetically Christian website. I realize you think UB has an avenue, but no, not really. It is an obscure corner on TOL. I come ONLY to tell the 3 of you, in grace, that you are wrong. One day it may sink in, if you have an ear to actually hear. The gospel is exclusive and stands alone. The UB is nowhere in comparison. Neither is DoC or BoM but we've covered that ground as well. Zeke thinks "the Christian gospel isn't for people like me." He is wrong. It is 1) the ONLY gospel, and 2) the ONLY way whereby men may be saved. Yeah, I understand your aversion. I do not understand a consistent feeble attack on Christian shores. It is like being invaded by three Frenchmen. You won't get any of this. You'll think some weird oddball things and never really read/comprehend. Again, it is here only for those who have ears and eyes to actually see and deal in reality. -Lon

This is 640 pages of nothing but grace to try and correct you wayward lot. A little complaining of rubbish on a Christian website, but a lot of grace and calling you 3 to "come let us reason says the Lord, though your sin is as red as scarlett...." I often pray one of you will see the actual and only Light.
 

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The original gospel of Jesus that the Jews would be preaching today had they accepted it......before the tragic cross happened and became a substitute, was largely lost as the new compromized version evolved after Jesus left. Christianity is a sect divided religion about Jesus, it's a mere shadow of the original. Christianity is dying from its own pride and resistance to reforms. The Urantia revelation is the new message for the next, post Christian age. It's much more accurate than the Bible.

195:10.1 "Christianity has indeed done a great service for this world, but what is now most needed is Jesus. The world needs to see Jesus living again on earth in the experience of spirit-born mortals who effectively reveal the Master to all men. It is futile to talk about a revival of primitive Christianity; you must go forward from where you find yourselves. Modern culture must become spiritually baptized with a new revelation of Jesus' life and illuminated with a new understanding of his gospel of eternal salvation. And when Jesus becomes thus lifted up, he will draw all men to himself. Jesus' disciples should be more than conquerors, even overflowing sources of inspiration and enhanced living to all men. Religion is only an exalted humanism until it is made divine by the discovery of the reality of the presence of God in personal experience."
 
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freelight

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The faith of Jesus......

The faith of Jesus......

The original gospel of Jesus that the Jews would be preaching today had they accepted it......before the tragic cross happened and became a substitute, was largely lost as the new compromized version evolved after Jesus left. Christianity is a sect divided religion about Jesus, it's a mere shadow of the original. Christianity is dying from its own pride and resistance to reforms. The Urantia revelation is the new message for the next, post Christian age. It's much more accurate than the Bible.

195:10.1 "Christianity has indeed done a great service for this world, but what is now most needed is Jesus. The world needs to see Jesus living again on earth in the experience of spirit-born mortals who effectively reveal the Master to all men. It is futile to talk about a revival of primitive Christianity; you must go forward from where you find yourselves. Modern culture must become spiritually baptized with a new revelation of Jesus' life and illuminated with a new understanding of his gospel of eternal salvation. And when Jesus becomes thus lifted up, he will draw all men to himself. Jesus' disciples should be more than conquerors, even overflowing sources of inspiration and enhanced living to all men. Religion is only an exalted humanism until it is made divine by the discovery of the reality of the presence of God in personal experience."

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This is what the UB is all about. The gospel of Jesus is presented as a living way of serving one's fellow man, fostering the truth of his sonship with God, realizing God as Father, and then living in that 'kingdom' consciousness. The core principle of progressive revelation and progress is highlighted in the words of Jesus, "be you perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" (thru loving service and doing God's will), so that man's evolutionary goal is in the perfecting of his soul development, that path of the mortal putting on immortality, progressing in this world and in the many mansion worlds in the hereafter.

The very last paper of the UB is entitled 'The Faith of Jesus', presented below -



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