The Rapture
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Revelation is the 70th week of Daniel. In part. It isn't about the body of Christ, Paul's church. The Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks. That is where we are. 1 week, 7 years to go for Israel.
You sure about that? Paul said it is a mystery, not revealed before. Ezekiel 37 and John 3 seem to show the same event, the resurrection into glorified bodies. Those of us alive will also be transformed, and that is not in scripture or prophecy. You have to be born twice, and Paul is telling us he will take us just the same. The difference comes down to timing. Timing is only brought up once.
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
It is pretty obvious those he is writing too were concerned they missed it. He is letting them know they did not, and the order of things. The departure comes before the anti-Christ makes peace with Israel and they rebuild the Temple. So he can defile it.
and believe that Christ will be coming back for the b o c , but here do see the Greek word rapture as I have yet to see that Greek word ,
it is found in 2 Thess 1 here the Greek word coming // parousia back for us .
then in 1 Thess 4:17 the Greek word caught away // harpazo .
then in Gal 1:4 is the Greek word rescue // exaireo ,
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So they (I) believe that the Bible does say that Rapture will happen prior to the Anti-Christ public knowledge and you say they are perverts?
Paul was not female, nor alive in the 1800s.
2 Thessalonians 2 mentions the timing twice.
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
The restrainer is the Holy Spirit, who is dwells in the body of all believers. When we are gone, it will get wild. In a bad way. And his wrath will be poured out.
Seems like your question would make a great discussion for this thread. To first figure out if there is one or two then discuss when it or they take place. I'm not up on this topic well enough to add anything important, but I'd love to hear what some think along this vain. I'm prone to consider the theory of THE Rapture being after the 6th trumpet, but then there is the time period of the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth ... after which a final battle is fought and Satan, his angelic followers, The false Prophet and Anti-christ and lost human souls (or some combinations of these) are all cast into the Lake of Fire. At that time period there will be humans on earth marrying or not and still having children and so forth. They will need to be transformed into their new heavenly bodies.
Do Christians even call that event a rapture?
Or does the term 'THE Rapture' only apply to being caught up into the heavenlies ????
Why not just go with what Paul tells us? He is the only one that speaks of the departure of the church.
edit: Here is the key in bold.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Paul reveals several mysteries in his letters. This means it was previously hidden, and often not in scripture. Revealed to him by the risen Lord Jesus Christ directly. Unless you think Luke is lying here. Other mysteries revealed are the Body of Christ. The scriptures (prophets) say they will be resurrected and placed in their land. Not baptized into Christ. Just as an example.
15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you.
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I avoid it as the word isn't used. The stand alone word in Greek means to snatch up, take by force, and "you kidnapped me", when you put in the translator, or ask Grok what the first century meaning was. NKJV says this. When I reference it elsewhere, I say
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Based on what I looked up, that is a soft translation. But it means the same thing.
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Good point but it is a quibble over language use within interpretations. I have no problem with the definition you have. So, does the catching up of the church and I assume a transformation at that time into saint who await the end of all things and the transformation of those to be saved saints just before the Lake of Fire considered the same thing?
I like what Paul reveals and I do believe that the Lord visited him in some fashion to tell him things. I believe the 'rapture' means a catching away. I also believe that the LORD does and reveal new things and the understanding of previously revealed things. I believe I see something I've never known before every time I do a study on topic of scripture. To me the keys lie within the details, in discovering God's figurative language, and within parables played out in previous human lives, and of course by the power of the Holy Spirit within believers.