The tribulation starts in 2022 and Jesus returns in 2029

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Thus far, according to WatchmanOnTheWall:
1) The tribulation will begin in 2022 and last until 2029.
2) The Anti-Christ will appear on 11 October 2022 in Damascus.
3) Jesus will return on the clouds on the Day of Atonement, 19 September 2029.
4) Jesus will set foot on the Mount of Olives at Tabernacles, 24 September 2029.

:chuckle:

I can't take all the credit: 1, 3 & 4 were discovered by others. I merely agreed with them but 2 is mine as far as I know.

 

[daqq]

I can't take all the credit: 1, 3 & 4 were discovered by others. I merely agreed with them but 2 is mine as far as I know.

Who are all these people you keep saying agree with you, (or that you agree with)? Has anyone else ever even heard of them or are they just some internet prophets like you with a web-page or two and/or a few videos?

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

"Can God do evil?" is the wrong question.
If you ask that, you will always come up with the wrong answer.

The question to ask is "Does God do evil?"
By His own words, God does do evil.

You seem to be thinking that if God does evil, then God is sinning.
Can God sin?
Yes, God has the ability to sin.
Does God sin?
No, God does not sin.
When God does evil, isn't that sinning?
No, God can do evil without sinning.

You need to figure out what God means by Him doing evil before you start arguing that God can't do what He says He does do.

evil
adjective
1. profoundly immoral and wicked.
noun
1. profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.


sin
noun
1. an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
verb
1. committing an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law..


Can God break the rules He sets? I say yes. God can break his own rules as He is sovereign. For example I believe He created the image on the Turin shroud (as a by-product of the resurrection). This seems to break the second commandment but the command is only for humans not to break, not God.

God saying He had done evil is only as far as the rules He set for humans is concerned but they are His perimeters which He can break as He is sovereign and is only evil in human term, not by God's understanding/judgement. If that makes sense?

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Who are all these people you keep saying agree with you, (or that you agree with)? Has anyone else ever even heard of them or are they just some internet prophets like you with a web-page or two and/or a few videos?

At last you are starting to ask questions rather than making assumptions. I am aware of at least four others who think the 24th September 2029 is the date of Jesus’ return but I think there must be many more as most people don't advertise the fact they are a date setter:

Michael Haller, Oregano, USA: http://www.motsog.com

Stephen T.McCarthy, Los Angeles, USA:
http://xtremelyun-pcandunrepentant....1/why-i-believe-jesus-christ-will-return.html

Bruce McKerras, New Zealand: http://www.logostelos.info/logos_telos

http://www.logostelos.info/logos_sophia

Robert Nicholas, UK: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/but-no-one-knows-the-day/

And the following twelve others have also worked out that 2029 is the year for varying reasons, some also point to September but again I think this is just a small proportion of all those who have worked this out. Mark Blitz is one of them:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/eye-popping-prediction-on-start-of-great-tribulation/

http://biblocality.com/forums/list.php?category/131-2022-to-2029

http://www.two.cc/2029.shtml

http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/article/163/

http://www.creation-answers.com/chronoj.htm

http://www.888c.com/ResurrectionDating.htm

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090603154841AASrlXv

http://www.messianictorah.org/en/manna_en/32-7en.htm

http://www.talkjesus.com/threads/what-is-the-key-sign-for-the-return-of-jesus.50997/

https://design-of-time.com/chronoj.htm

http://www.christiantimelines.com/William Miller.htm

https://www.ihs-wa.net/Downloads/Jesus_Return_AD_2027-2029.pdf

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Who are all these people you keep saying agree with you, (or that you agree with)? Has anyone else ever even heard of them or are they just some internet prophets like you with a web-page or two and/or a few videos?

And here are some sites that teach the real Calendar of God that Jesus used:

John D Keyser – founder of Hope of Israel ministries:
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/sabtosat.htm

Robert-Aaron Richmond explains from scripture how God’s Calendar works:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJq8tKvnemU

“Saturday is the Sabbath” is FAKE NEWS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJJwQmKJJbw

International Date Line Change: The Sabbath Unchanged by Worlds Last Chance Ministries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUyZpM5xls

 

[daqq]

At last you are starting to ask questions rather than making assumptions. I am aware of at least four others who think the 24th September 2029 is the date of Jesus’ return but I think there must be many more as most people don't advertise the fact they are a date setter:

Michael Haller, Oregano, USA: http://www.motsog.com

Stephen T.McCarthy, Los Angeles, USA:
http://xtremelyun-pcandunrepentant....1/why-i-believe-jesus-christ-will-return.html

Bruce McKerras, New Zealand: http://www.logostelos.info/logos_telos

http://www.logostelos.info/logos_sophia

Robert Nicholas, UK: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/but-no-one-knows-the-day/

And the following twelve others have also worked out that 2029 is the year for varying reasons, some also point to September but again I think this is just a small proportion of all those who have worked this out. Mark Blitz is one of them:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/eye-popping-prediction-on-start-of-great-tribulation/

http://biblocality.com/forums/list.php?category/131-2022-to-2029

http://www.two.cc/2029.shtml

http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/article/163/

http://www.creation-answers.com/chronoj.htm

http://www.888c.com/ResurrectionDating.htm

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090603154841AASrlXv

http://www.messianictorah.org/en/manna_en/32-7en.htm

http://www.talkjesus.com/threads/what-is-the-key-sign-for-the-return-of-jesus.50997/

https://design-of-time.com/chronoj.htm

http://www.christiantimelines.com/William Miller.htm

https://www.ihs-wa.net/Downloads/Jesus_Return_AD_2027-2029.pdf

Lol, and Mark Biltz, (<- proper spelling, not "Blitz"), is actually the one who first discovered the four blood moons after looking into the NASA eclipse catalogues; and that was well before John Hageemeister took over and lent his name and prestige to power-boost the profit machine on that failed prophecy. Do you suppose I have never studied any of these things, prophet? I was king of such false prophecies based on erroneous calendar mathematics and came up with the pole-shift idea and eclipses even before Mark Biltz, (who used to be a Messianic Pastor in WA State last I looked, which was years ago now). He discovered that the lunar eclipse cycles sometimes fall out on feast days, (and of course they do, sometimes, because it is a lunisolar calendar, duh, that actually must happen: sometimes in four's but mostly in two's). There is good reason why I do not feel compelled to ask you about how and why you come up with your predictions: it is because I have already made most all of the same mistakes myself, and learned the hard way about most of the reasons why you are wrong, and just like you I had no one to teach me the better Way because at that time I was not truly following or even understanding the Testimony of Messiah in the Gospel accounts. :chuckle:

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Lol, and Mark Biltz, (<- proper spelling, not "Blitz"), is actually the one who first discovered the four blood moons after looking into the NASA eclipse catalogues; and that was well before John Hageemeister took over and lent his name and prestige to power-boost the profit machine on that failed prophecy. Do you suppose I have never studied any of these things, prophet? I was king of such false prophecies based on erroneous calendar mathematics and came up with the pole-shift idea and eclipses even before Mark Biltz, (who used to be a Messianic Pastor in WA State last I looked, which was years ago now). He discovered that the lunar eclipse cycles sometimes fall out on feast days, (and of course they do, sometimes, because it is a lunisolar calendar, duh, that actually must happen: sometimes in four's but mostly in two's). There is good reason why I do not feel compelled to ask you about how and why you come up with your predictions: it is because I have already made most all of the same mistakes myself,

Well of course you have made mistakes if you think you can use your understanding of the Bible to make predictions, because (as I have pointed out to you and proved many times) your understanding of the Bible is very mixed up. Your eschatological theology is madness.

and learned the hard way about most of the reasons why you are wrong, and just like you I had no one to teach me the better Way because at that time I was not truly following or even understanding the Testimony of Messiah in the Gospel accounts. :chuckle:

Yep, and you still misunderstand the eschatological prophesy's of the Bible because you do not have the intelligence/gifting.

 

[daqq]

Well of course you have made mistakes if you think you can use your understanding of the Bible to make predictions, because (as I have pointed out to you and proved many times) your understanding of the Bible is very mixed up. Your eschatological theology is madness.

Yep, and you still misunderstand the eschatological prophesy's of the Bible because you do not have the intelligence/gifting.

"the intelligence/gifting" . . .

Yep, I remember those days well, pseudo-prophet. :chuckle:
But may you be delivered from your bondage as I was, sincerely, in Messiah.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

"the intelligence/gifting" . . .

Yep, I remember those days well, pseudo-prophet. :chuckle:
But may you be delivered from your bondage as I was, sincerely, in Messiah.

I suppose we will have to wait till 2022 and review then.

 

[daqq]

I suppose we will have to wait till 2022 and review then.

We? I do not need to wait to see what will happen, I already know. And if you make it that far, and are blessed enough to finally be crushed and stripped of all your pride: there will be a great mourning in Yerushalem, as the mourning for the pomegranate grove that was cut down in the plain of Megiddon, and all of your land shall mourn, even like the house of Nathan set apart, and their wives apart. And it shall come to pass in that day that the Most High will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land. And it shall come to pass that when one shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother shall thrust him through and stone him with stones when he prophesies. And it shall come to pass in that day that the prophet shall be ashamed of his vision which he formerly prophesied, and shall no more wear a shaggy goat-hair mantle to deceive, but shall say, "No more a prophet am I, but a tiller of the soil am I, for the Son of man purchased me from my youth!" And if one should say to him, "What are those strokes and wounds between your hands and in your heart? then he shall answer, "Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

We? I do not need to wait to see what will happen, I already know.

So now you are prophesying. Do you have any proof that nothing will happen? Any scriptures?

And if you make it that far,

It's only 4.5 years, I'm confident I will be around.

and are blessed enough to finally be crushed and stripped of all your pride: there will be a great mourning in Yerushalem, as the mourning for the pomegranate grove that was cut down in the plain of Megiddon, and all of your land shall mourn, even like the house of Nathan set apart, and their wives apart. And it shall come to pass in that day that the Most High will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land. And it shall come to pass that when one shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother shall thrust him through and stone him with stones when he prophesies. And it shall come to pass in that day that the prophet shall be ashamed of his vision which he formerly prophesied, and shall no more wear a shaggy goat-hair mantle to deceive, but shall say, "No more a prophet am I, but a tiller of the soil am I, for the Son of man purchased me from my youth!" And if one should say to him, "What are those strokes and wounds between your hands and in your heart? then he shall answer, "Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."

Oh dear, this is why I say you seem mad. You're so OTT. :noway: If nothing happens then I will just think/say 'I was wrong' and life will go on and no one will hardly notice. If we are still in touch at that time? Then you might say 'I told you so' and I will say 'yeah I was wrong' and that would be about it.

 

[genuineoriginal]

evil
adjective
1. profoundly immoral and wicked.
noun
1. profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.

You are using the wrong word, try using the Hebrew word the way God did in the original scripture.

Jeremiah 42:10 10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.

h7451 רַע ra`

1. bad, evil
   • bad, disagreeable, malignant
   • bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
   • evil, displeasing
   • bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
   • bad (of value)
   • worse than, worst (comparison)
   • sad, unhappy
   • evil (hurtful)
   • bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
   • bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
     • in general, of persons, of thoughts
     • deeds, actions
2. evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
   • evil, distress, adversity
   • evil, injury, wrong
   • evil (ethical)
3. evil, misery, distress, injury
   • evil, misery, distress
   • evil, injury, wrong
   • evil (ethical)

 

[genuineoriginal]

I say God cannot sin or lie and go against Himself. No contradictions.

I agree with that.

Twelve Things God Cannot Do — The Church of God International

Those are nice sentiments, but few of them are accurate.
1. GOD CANNOT LIE.
True
2. GOD CANNOT CHANGE.
False. God DOES NOT change, which is different than God CANNOT change.
3. GOD CANNOT BREAK A PROMISE.
False. God WILL NOT break a COVENANT, which is different than God CANNOT break a PROMISE.
4. GOD’S INTENT AND POWER CANNOT BE STOPPED.
True.
5. GOD’S WORD CANNOT BE BROKEN.
False.
6. GOD’S LAW CANNOT BE ANNULLED.
True.
7. GOD CANNOT STAND SIN.
True.
8. GOD CANNOT DESPISE A BROKEN AND CONTRITE HEART.
False. God WILL NOT despise a broken and contrite heart, which is different than CANNOT.
9. GOD CANNOT BE PLEASED WITHOUT FAITH.
True.
10. GOD’S CHURCH CANNOT BE DESTROYED.
False. God's ekklesia WILL NOT BE DEFEATED by the gates of hell, which is different than CANNOT BE DESTROYED.
11. GOD CANNOT BE WORSHIPPED TOO MUCH FOR WHO AND WHAT HE IS.
This has nothing to do with what God can or cannot do.
12. AND FINALLY, GOD CANNOT STOP LOVING YOU.
False.

 

[daqq]

So now you are prophesying. Do you have any proof that nothing will happen? Any scriptures? It's only 4.5 years, I'm confident I will be around. Oh dear, this is why I say you seem mad. You're so OTT. :noway: If nothing happens then I will just think/say 'I was wrong' and life will go on and no one will hardly notice. If we are still in touch at that time? Then you might say 'I told you so' and I will say 'yeah I was wrong' and that would be about it.

You still do not understand? You have to die to overcome: if you do not die, you did not overcome but will have been overcome. If you end up wrong and merely saying, oopsy daisy, while going along your merry way, without any remorse for what you have done and for those you have injured: then no doubt you will be twice dead, if you are not twice dead already. You should take the Word more seriously, lest you end up the reprobate-castaway rotting carcass of a stinking fish. Unless of course you already are a reprobate-castaway: for the kingdom of the heavens is like a net that was cast into the sea that gathered up some of every kind. And when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into clean vessels, but the worthless and evil they cast away. So shall it be at the end of your age: the Malakim shall come forth, and shall sever the wicked from the midst the tzaddikim, and shall cast the wicked into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

You are using the wrong word, try using the Hebrew word the way God did in the original scripture.

Jeremiah 42:10 10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.

h7451 רַע ra`

1. bad, evil
   • bad, disagreeable, malignant
   • bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
   • evil, displeasing
   • bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
   • bad (of value)
   • worse than, worst (comparison)
   • sad, unhappy
   • evil (hurtful)
   • bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
   • bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
     • in general, of persons, of thoughts
     • deeds, actions
2. evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
   • evil, distress, adversity
   • evil, injury, wrong
   • evil (ethical)
3. evil, misery, distress, injury
   • evil, misery, distress
   • evil, injury, wrong
   • evil (ethical)

Well this word play is complex but simply put what I am trying to explain is that God is like a parent who sets the rules of what is good and bad. Now a parent can break these rules and still be respected by the child because they know best. For example a parent might say the child must not use a pair of scissors on their own, but the parent can of course and it won't make the parent bad or evil.

God doing evil is no different: In man's eyes God is doing evil (just as God says) but in real terms God is not doing anything evil. See?

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

You still do not understand? You have to die to overcome: if you do not die, you did not overcome but will have been overcome. If you end up wrong and merely saying, oopsy daisy, while going along your merry way, without any remorse for what you have done and for those you have injured: then no doubt you will be twice dead, if you are not twice dead already. You should take the Word more seriously, lest you end up the reprobate-castaway rotting carcass of a stinking fish.

That made me laugh.

Unless of course you already are a reprobate-castaway: for the kingdom of the heavens is like a net that was cast into the sea that gathered up some of every kind. And when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into clean vessels, but the worthless and evil they cast away. So shall it be at the end of your age: the Malakim shall come forth, and shall sever the wicked from the midst the tzaddikim, and shall cast the wicked into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

:chuckle:

Okay I understand where you are coming from but I have two choices: Either to cry wolf or not. Now I believe I've seen a wolf and if that wolf eats anyone and I hadn't cried wolf then that would be worse than crying wolf and it turns out that I was mistaken. Understand?

 

[genuineoriginal]

In man's eyes God is doing evil [distress, misery, injury, calamity] (just as God says) but in real terms God is not doing anything evil [profoundly immoral and wicked].

When you switch meanings of a word during a discussion, it is known as the logical fallacy of Equivocation.
Equivocation has caused a lot of misinterpretations of prophecy and doctrine.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

When you switch meanings of a word during a discussion, it is known as the logical fallacy of Equivocation.
Equivocation has caused a lot of misinterpretations of prophecy and doctrine.

I was trying to explain the paradoxical nature of God which seems conflicting but is the truth. For example we have freewill yet at the same time God knows everything we will ever do or say etc and where we will end up.

God can do what we call evil while at the same time not be doing evil.

Everything is possible for God.

 

[genuineoriginal]

God can do what we call evil while at the same time not be doing evil.

God says that He did what He calls evil.
So, did He do it or not?

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

God says that He did what He calls evil.
So, did He do it or not?

Both, it is a paradox.