Major spike in business bankruptcies due to lockdowns

[Right Divider]

Nope.

Keep your head in the sand.

 

[Arthur Brain]

AB: "...we're in the middle of a pandemic in case you somehow hadn't noticed".

Compare places that had extreme lockdowns and those that have not.
You CANNOT tells the difference based on the NUMBERS.
That is a FACT that you and others here cannot handle. You just poop poop it and ignore it.

How is a pointed remark in response to someone suddenly an insult? If that's the case then I'l wait for you to admonish Hilltrot for erroneously accusing me of contradicting myself and then calling me "simple" for not recognizing the imaginary contradiction. Get over yourself RD. I don't even regard his comments as insulting but more amusing if anything.

I've followed the course of the pandemic since before the lockdown over here even started and asserting stuff as fact and typing in all caps is not impressive. You don't have facts at all.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Keep your head in the sand.

Was never anywhere near it to start with. You carry on believing what you want though.

 

[Right Divider]

How is a pointed remark in response to someone suddenly an insult? If that's the case then I'l wait for you to admonish Hilltrot for erroneously accusing me of contradicting myself and then calling me "simple" for not recognizing the imaginary contradiction. Get over yourself RD. I don't even regard his comments as insulting but more amusing if anything.

I've followed the course of the pandemic since before the lockdown over here even started and asserting stuff as fact and typing in all caps is not impressive. You don't have facts at all.

You are funny. You've been shown that the difference between places that had severe lockdowns and those that do no CANNOT be seen in any graphs of the data... but you're still a "true believer". Congratulations on your head in the sand approach to the facts.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You are funny. You've been shown that the difference between places that had severe lockdowns and those that do no CANNOT be seen in any graphs of the data... but you're still a "true believer". Congratulations on your head in the sand approach to the facts.

You aren't and I don't lap up data that fits some sort of preconceived notion as it is. You carry on believing as you want.

 

[Right Divider]

You aren't and I don't lap up data that fits some sort of preconceived notion as it is.

Regardless, you ignore the obvious when it comes to data about COVID-19.

You carry on believing as you want.

Thanks. I'll believe the data (i.e., reality).

 

[JudgeRightly]

Heck, it's almost as if you seem to think that countries around the world went into lockdown on a whim or something. They didn't.

No one said they did such on a whim.

And I certainly never implied it.

We've been in a time of international crisis for over a year now.

One that should have been over about a year ago.

I could care less whatever bunk you may buy into regarding them or masks and whatnot. The fact is they work to an extent.

Masks DO NOT work on viruses.

That you keep pushing the narrative that they do is what's bunk.

Lockdowns do more harm than good in preventing the spread of disease.

That you keep spreading the narrative that they help is what's bunk.

Is there a negative? Of course, several in fact. Businesses suffer, especially smaller ones,

Suffer?

How about permanently closing their doors.

How many countless businesses have closed up shop due to the lockdowns? And you say it's better to lockdown?

it impacts on people's jobs, lives in general. They are not pleasant obviously. So, governments, responsible ones at least are obliged to help out in turbulent times like these.

Like I said, you like the idea of people sucking on the government's teat.

AGAIN:

The government does not have the right to give people food, water, clothing, shelter, energy, healthcare, or education, excepting for emergency relief, from natural disasters and short-term life-or-death crises.

This pandemic has turned into a long term farce.

The alternative would have been just to go on as normal and have the infection rate escalate to a point where the national health service would have been completely unable to cope with admissions. More victims, more deaths. It would have been catastrophic and they were barely able to handle the influx of cases as it was. Doctors and nurses were coming out of retirement in order to help out so don't bother going on about how lockdowns don't work with me, I'm not interested.

No, Arty, the alternative is quarantining those who are sick and letting those who are not go about their lives as usual, like society has done for the past 5000 years.

Of course it would be better for businesses to be open than aided with grants. For some, those won't be enough and lots of jobs will have been lost. None of this situation is good.

So then why are you so in favor of keeping people locked down? Doing so only harms people. It does NOT help.

I'm well aware of what you consider a benefit system to be and I could care less about that also. Not only does a civilized government have the right to do all as you describe, it also has a moral obligation to do so if it wants to remain civilized.

Saying it doesn't make it so, Arty.

No government has the right to do the aforementioned. That they do it anyways to satisfy the desires of those such as yourself doesn't make it right.

Regardless, that doesn't excuse your ignorance in stating that I would rather have people on benefits than in work so please don't repeat such an asinine claim unless you want to be caught in a lie.

You would, simply because you support/defend the lockdowns over releasing them.

 

[Arthur Brain]

No one said they did such on a whim.

And I certainly never implied it.



One that should have been over about a year ago.



Masks DO NOT work on viruses.

That you keep pushing the narrative that they do is what's bunk.

Lockdowns do more harm than good in preventing the spread of disease.

That you keep spreading the narrative that they help is what's bunk.



Suffer?

How about permanently closing their doors.

How many countless businesses have closed up shop due to the lockdowns? And you say it's better to lockdown?



Like I said, you like the idea of people sucking on the government's teat.

AGAIN:

The government does not have the right to give people food, water, clothing, shelter, energy, healthcare, or education, excepting for emergency relief, from natural disasters and short-term life-or-death crises.

This pandemic has turned into a long term farce.



No, Arty, the alternative is quarantining those who are sick and letting those who are not go about their lives as usual, like society has done for the past 5000 years.



So then why are you so in favor of keeping people locked down? Doing so only harms people. It does NOT help.



Saying it doesn't make it so, Arty.

No government has the right to do the aforementioned. That they do it anyways to satisfy the desires of those such as yourself doesn't make it right.



You would, simply because you support/defend the lockdowns over releasing them.

Lockdowns are effective in curtailing the spread of virus transmission. That's why countries around the world have employed such measures, not because they wanted to control the population and suffer economic damage as a result. Do the math for a change and stop buying into garbage like "We Are Paul Revere".

You are in no position to call anything bunk when you ignore the plethora of data that supports such measures. If only this pandemic was an actual farce, except it isn't. We've seen the toll that this virus has had on our health service over here, including many on the front line becoming victims of it themselves and your ignorance is as sickening as it is astounding.

Nobody wants these measures, at all. I don't, this last year has been one of the most difficult I can recall and I can't wait for things to get back to something resembling normality but if you had your way our health service would have folded under the strain and the death rate would have been cataclysmic. I am sick and tired of the ignorance perpetuated by folk like you who seem to exhibit their lack of understanding of the seriousness of this pandemic as if it's a badge of honour.

Civilized governments most certainly do have that right as well as a moral obligation to do so if they want to remain civilized. I'm well aware of what your form of ideal government would comprise of and thankfully will never come about. That does not equate to me wanting people to be out of work and 'sucking at the governments teat' as seems to be your latest catchphrase of trend so if you even imply such in regards to me again it will be a complete lie on your part. You no longer have ignorance as an excuse.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Regardless, you ignore the obvious when it comes to data about COVID-19.

Thanks. I'll believe the data (i.e., reality).

Well, you're certainly welcome to your own brand of reality even if it isn't the real thing. You buy into whatever bunk you like.

 

[Right Divider]

Well, you're certainly welcome to your own brand of reality even if it isn't the real thing. You buy into whatever bunk you like.

I don't have a "brand of reality", I just go with the real reality.

 

[eider]

I don't have a "brand of reality", I just go with the real reality.

Rather than chucking criticism at other countries' policies and actions over the pandemic, why don't you impress us all with your ideas about what we could have done?

Would you have restricted travel in to our countries?
Would you have supported the development of Covid test kits
Would you have supported the early research in to Vaccines?
Would you support Vaccinations at all?
Would you support the mask rules? (do you have them where you are?)
What about regular Hand cleansing with alcohol or soap/water washing?
Social distancing? The six foot rule?
Would households have been told to stay indoors unless on essential journeys?
How would you have managed Hospitals, would you have kept some hospitals Covid free for other medical work?

Tell us all exactly how you would have guided a country through this sickness.
It might help if you could tell what you do for a living, as well.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I don't have a "brand of reality", I just go with the real reality.

No, you don't. Lockdowns have been shown to work, period.

 

[Right Divider]

No, you don't. Lockdowns have been shown to work, period.

Only in your feeble mind.

The lockdowns have caused MORE death than the dreaded disease.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Only in your feeble mind.

The lockdowns have caused MORE death than the dreaded disease.

Hmm, weren't you the one who said that insulting others with an opposing point of view is childish? Hypocrite.

Your latter is just ridiculous and unsupportable rubbish.

 

[Right Divider]

Hmm, weren't you the one who said that insulting others with an opposing point of view is childish? Hypocrite.

Your latter is just ridiculous and unsupportable rubbish.

You really do have your head in the sand.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You really do have your head in the sand.

Nope.

 

[Right Divider]

Nope.

https://tomwoods.com/death-by-lockdown/

 

[Arthur Brain]

https://tomwoods.com/death-by-lockdown/

So that's your idea of proof? FYI, I do not make light of the significant impact that lockdowns have on people, at all. Nobody wants them, including governments. If they had no appreciable effect I'd be completely against them too. The fact is they do. If we hadn't had them in the UK then our NHS would have gone under, it's as simple as that. Of course there's negatives to them, a lot. They're an extreme measure in an extreme circumstance and the fallout is considerable, nobody's denying that.

 

[Right Divider]

So that's your idea of proof?

Look at the article and the references instead of spouting.

FYI, I do not make light of the significant impact that lockdowns have on people, at all.

And yet you "think that they work" without any evidence to support that theory... kind of like "evolution".

Nobody wants them, including governments.

Opinion without warrant.

If they had no appreciable effect I'd be completely against them too.

Please demonstrate this "appreciable effect".

The fact is they do.

Please demonstrate this "appreciable effect".

If we hadn't had them in the UK then our NHS would have gone under, it's as simple as that.

Please DEMONSTRATE this supposed "fact".

Of course there's negatives to them, a lot.

As documented in the link that I posted, that you seems not to have looked at.

They're an extreme measure in an extreme circumstance and the fallout is considerable, nobody's denying that.

The fallout is far more considerable than the supposed benefit.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Look at the article and the references instead of spouting.

And yet you "think that they work" without any evidence to support that theory... kind of like "evolution".

Opinion without warrant.

Please demonstrate this "appreciable effect".

Please demonstrate this "appreciable effect".

Please DEMONSTRATE this supposed "fact".

As documented in the link that I posted, that you seems not to have looked at.

The fallout is far more considerable than the supposed benefit.

Already did thanks and enough with the spouting yourself. I "think" they work because they've been shown to. I keep track on the figures over here thanks but here's a little study for you to read yourself.

Is the lockdown important to prevent the COVID-19 pandemic? Effects on psychology, environment and economy-perspective

COVID-19's daily increasing cases and deaths have led to worldwide lockdown, quarantine and some restrictions. This study aims to analyze the effect of lockdown days on the spread of coronavirus in countries. COVID-19 cases and lockdown days data were ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Oh, and to say there's no evidence to support evolution is just silly. Your religious beliefs are entirely irrelevant to the fact that the theory of evolution is globally accepted in the scientific community because of the evidence that supports it.

Numbers dropping in countries that have enacted them. Easy enough to find out, do a google search.

Common sense should tell you why. If we'd kept everything opening including super spreader events like football matches then the virus would have a field day of its own. Our NHS was struggling to cope with the escalating cases as it was. That's why people were coming out of retirement to help out.

The fallout is certainly considerable and I've never made light of the negatives from the get go. The alternative, to just let everywhere stay open with no restrictions would have been worse. This is a pandemic, not a case of the sniffles.