masks work .. to infect you :(

marke

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You're much like ffreeloader in some respects. You assert nonsense and then expect stuff like twitter accounts and far right blogs and the like to count as 'scientific evidence'. They don't. Then you 'cry foul' when actual data unravels all of the conspiracy rubbish.
Leftist agitators refuse to support scientific evidence that masks do very little to restrict the flow of covid while shutdowns do a great deal of destruction to destroy the fabric of American life and the health of the American economy.
 

marke

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Well well well..... you actually are getting something right.

I don't access reports by peer-reviewed scientists to show you. Correct. Why? Because I'd be wasting my time with you.

So let's look at what mostly happens in our four countries. We carry out the guidance, instructions, rules and laws that our Governments produce after consulting with our chief medical and chief science officers.

So we don't take any notice of ignorant hecklers calling out to try and interfere with our plans and actions. We don't. We stick to our plan. Even when age groups have received both vaccinations they will still be carrying on with masks, distancing, lockdowns and hand cleansing, because when we stop any of these protections we will stop together.

It's something that you personally will never understand, I guess.
Definition of peer review: Reports which are judged harmonious to bad leftist narratives.
 

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Leftist agitators refuse to support scientific evidence that masks do very little to restrict the flow of covid while shutdowns do a great deal of destruction to destroy the fabric of American life and the health of the American economy.

People who insist on wearing masks despite knowing better are the modern day equivalent of tin foil hat wearers.
 

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People who insist on wearing masks despite knowing better are the modern day equivalent of tin foil hat wearers.
"Knowing better" like "We Are Paul Revere?" I'll continue to wear a mask because it's the responsible thing to do even at personal inconvenience so your latter is laughable for the irony if not the ignorance.
 

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People who insist on wearing masks despite knowing better are the modern day equivalent of tin foil hat wearers.
To be fair they've put their trust in people who are dishonest to them. They have been conditioned to believe that wearing masks is the best thing you can do morally. Ironically many of these are the same people who have been conditioned to approve of the slaughter of the unborn.

They are dim-witted and gullible.
 

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I'll continue to wear a mask because it's the responsible thing to do

It's not responsible. It's just dumb. They cannot stop an aerosolized virus, such as Sars-CoV-2. It's like throwing sand at a chain-link fence.

You wear it because you're a sheep. Go on, bleat like the good little sheep you are. Ba-a-a!

Like I said: masks are the new tin foil hats.
People wear tin foil hats because they think it stops mind control waves.
People wear masks because they think it stops a virus, when it does not.
 

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It's not responsible. It's just dumb. They cannot stop an aerosolized virus, such as Sars-CoV-2. It's like throwing sand at a chain-link fence.

You wear it because you're a sheep. Go on, bleat like the good little sheep you are. Ba-a-a!

Like I said: masks are the new tin foil hats.
People wear tin foil hats because they think it stops mind control waves.
People wear masks because they think it stops a virus, when it does not.
Um, no. I wear them because they can help reduce the flow of a virus as has been evidenced, not stop it. The safety measures have significantly reduced the normal flu rates we would have as well but you carry on with your bizarre 'sheep' nonsense if you want.
 

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Um, no. I wear them because they can help reduce the flow of a virus as has been evidenced, not stop it. The safety measures have significantly reduced the normal flu rates we would have as well but you carry on with your bizarre 'sheep' nonsense if you want.
Some medical professionals claim wearing cloth masks increases the chance of the wearer getting infected with covid, and persuasive reasons are given.
 

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I wear them because they can help reduce the flow of a virus as has been evidenced, not stop it.

Except that it hasn't been shown to reduce the flow of a virus.

Such masks CANNOT and DO NOT prevent the spread of viruses, because viruses are much too small, and in the case of Sars-CoV-2, which is aerosolized, the aerosol particles which contain the virus are too small to be captured by the kinds of masks that nearly everyone who wears a mask wears. Again, it's like throwing sand at a chain-link fence. Some grains may bounce off, but the rest sail right through it.

The safety measures have significantly reduced the normal flu rates we would have as well but you carry on with your bizarre 'sheep' nonsense if you want.

Says the sheep who follows his master. You wear the mask like it's a tin foil hat, as if it will protect you, when it clearly won't.
 

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Some medical professionals claim wearing cloth masks increases the chance of the wearer getting infected with covid, and persuasive reasons are given.
Which "medical professionals" would those be exactly and what "persuasive reasons" are given?

Heck, I don't enjoy wearing the darned things when I go shopping along with a whole load of other stuff we've had to endure during this global pandemic but the feeble protestations of civil liberties being infringed upon is, well, snowflake at best.
 

Arthur Brain

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Except that it hasn't been shown to reduce the flow of a virus.

Such masks CANNOT and DO NOT prevent the spread of viruses, because viruses are much too small, and in the case of Sars-CoV-2, which is aerosolized, the aerosol particles which contain the virus are too small to be captured by the kinds of masks that nearly everyone who wears a mask wears. Again, it's like throwing sand at a chain-link fence. Some grains may bounce off, but the rest sail right through it.



Says the sheep who follows his master. You wear the mask like it's a tin foil hat, as if it will protect you, when it clearly won't.
Well, according to the CDC, who certain people pick and choose from when it suits, yes, they have been shown to be effective, along with other safety measures.

I don't actually wear a mask to protect myself, but rather others. How have you not gotten that yet? That's the primary purpose.
 

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Well, according to the CDC, yes, they have been shown to be effective, along with other safety measures.

According to the CDC prior to Covid-19, masks were not recommended for use to prevent the spread of viruses.

Somehow, that changed last year.

I don't actually wear a mask to protect myself, but rather others. How have you not gotten that yet? That's the primary purpose.

The mask doesn't protect anyone, neither the wearer nor the people around him. How have you not gotten that yet? It's primary purpose is to assuage the guilt-ridden minds of the gullible people like yourself who have been fooled into thinking they make a difference.
 

Arthur Brain

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According to the CDC prior to Covid-19, masks were not recommended for use to prevent the spread of viruses.

Somehow, that changed last year.



The mask doesn't protect anyone, neither the wearer nor the people around him. How have you not gotten that yet? It's primary purpose is to assuage the guilt-ridden minds of the gullible people like yourself who have been fooled into thinking they make a difference.
Oh, well, things change JR, especially with the likes of a global pandemic and a new virus that caused such constraints to be put in place in order to curb the flow, which have been shown to work.

I have no guilt about following safety protocols so no guilt here. You just carry on with "We are Paul Revere" and the like.
 

marke

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Which "medical professionals" would those be exactly and what "persuasive reasons" are given?

Heck, I don't enjoy wearing the darned things when I go shopping along with a whole load of other stuff we've had to endure during this global pandemic but the feeble protestations of civil liberties being infringed upon is, well, snowflake at best.
I cannot remember all those medical professionals who have persuaded me that cloth masks are ineffective in dealing with covid. All I know is they provided more persuasive evidence for their claims than quacks like Fauci have provided.
 

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anecdotal evidence that in a hospital situation a properly fitted N95 mask works





that said Sweden did just as well well without all these stupid npi's
 

marke

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anecdotal evidence that in a hospital situation a properly fitted N95 mask works





that said Sweden did just as well well without all these stupid npi's
Like I said. There are many conflicting reports on both sides. Here is one I read:



In 2013 a review of the use of cloth masks for infection control (2)
again came to the conclusion that some cloth masks may reduce transmission of
respiratory aerosols, but their efficacy is unproven in the absence of randomised
control trials (RCT). ...
World Health Organization, June 5 2020. (12).
“Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the
general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in
the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence
and there are potential benefits and harms to consider.
 

way 2 go

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Like I said. There are many conflicting reports on both sides. Here is one I read:



In 2013 a review of the use of cloth masks for infection control (2)
again came to the conclusion that some cloth masks may reduce transmission of
respiratory aerosols, but their efficacy is unproven in the absence of randomised
control trials (RCT). ...
World Health Organization, June 5 2020. (12).
“Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the
general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in
the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence
and there are potential benefits and harms to consider.
we knew cloth masks work to infect you
but tried it on a global scale


Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.
Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.
 
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