masks work .. to infect you :(

ok doser

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CDC study: 70 percent of covid infected patients reported ‘always’ wearing a mask

A study by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which not surprisingly has flown under the major media’s radar, found that 70 percent of Americans who contracted coronavirus in July reported “always” wearing a mask.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf


Not the scary narrative the MSM wants to push
 

annabenedetti

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CDC study: 70 percent of covid infected patients reported ‘always’ wearing a mask

First: self-reporting isn't predictably reliable. There's something called social desirability bias where people will answer in a way they perceive will be well-received. They can overstate the good or understate the bad. The people responding to the survey already have Covid, and it's quite possible that they want to believe they "always" wore a mask and therefore aren't responsible for getting Covid. It's not necessarily a character defect to want to believe the best about oneself, it's just human nature. But it might not be accurate.

Second: 51% of cases were acquired from family members. How many of us wear masks in our family bubble?

Third: I can't remember the percentage but one of the places the patients had more commonly been in the previous 14 days was restaurants. People can't eat and wear masks and at least where I live you're not required to wear them once you're seated at a table. But for those eating indoors, circulated air can pose a greater risk of exposure to the virus.

I'm not saying masks will always work, but on the flip side they won't always fail and they aren't going to infect you (if you're wearing them and handling them the way you should) more than if you hadn't worn them at all. So using this as a reason not to wear a mask? It doesn't make the case.
 

ok doser

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way 2 go


so annabananahead is not only racist, a promoter of the murder of children and an apologist for child pornography, she's anti-science

amazing
 

annabenedetti

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way 2 go


so annabananahead is not only racist, a promoter of the murder of children and an apologist for child pornography, she's anti-science

amazing

Either you're not the science guy you claim to be, sod, or you didn't spend any of the 9 minutes between the OP and your initial reply to actually read the data.


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ok doser

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way 2 go


so annabananahead is not only racist, a promoter of the murder of children and an apologist for child pornography, she's desperate to push the "wear your mask at all times!" mantra

I can only assume it's a result of her raging case of TDS :sigh:
 

annabenedetti

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way 2 go


so annabananahead is not only racist, a promoter of the murder of children and an apologist for child pornography, she's desperate to push the "wear your mask at all times!" mantra

Keep adding to your list and pretty soon you'll be able to sing them to The Hole in the Bottom of the Sea. :chuckle:

There's a fleck on the speck on the tail
On the frog on the bump on the branch
On the log in the hole in the bottom of the sea,
There's a fleck on the speck on the tail
On the frog on the bump On the branch
On the log in the hole in the bottom of the sea,
There's a fleck, there's a fleck,
There's a fleck on the speck on the tail
On the frog on the bump on the branch
On the log in the hole in the bottom of the sea.
 

way 2 go

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I'm not saying masks will always work, but on the flip side they won't always fail and they aren't going to infect you (if you're wearing them and handling them the way you should) more than if you hadn't worn them at all. So using this as a reason not to wear a mask? It doesn't make the case.

no one (hyperbole) handles mask correctly , everybody adjusts them while wearing them
they touch a door handle then later they adjust their mask , a warm & moist environment , a literal petri dish on their face,
so yes masks cause infection

cloth masks have a 97% failure rate at prevention

ok doser
 

The Barbarian

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no one (hyperbole) handles mask correctly , everybody adjusts them while wearing them
they touch a door handle then later they adjust their mask , a warm & moist environment , a literal petri dish on their face,
so yes masks cause infection

If so, then OR personnel, and workers who wear dust masks at work all day would have higher rates of infection. But they don't. Your story runs head-on into reality, and doesn't survive the crash.

cloth masks have a 97% failure rate at prevention

The report doesn't say that. In fact, the addendum argues that cloth masks are less effective than medical masks, but more effective than not wearing masks:
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/...-a-last-resort

Moreover, this paper is seven months old, from March, before adequate studies on effectiveness of cloth masks on COVID-19. More recently...


Emerg Infect Dis. 2020 Oct; 26(10): e200948.
Effectiveness of Cloth Masks for Protection Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2
Abstract
Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.
 

Arthur Brain

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First: self-reporting isn't predictably reliable. There's something called social desirability bias where people will answer in a way they perceive will be well-received. They can overstate the good or understate the bad. The people responding to the survey already have Covid, and it's quite possible that they want to believe they "always" wore a mask and therefore aren't responsible for getting Covid. It's not necessarily a character defect to want to believe the best about oneself, it's just human nature. But it might not be accurate.

Second: 51% of cases were acquired from family members. How many of us wear masks in our family bubble?

Third: I can't remember the percentage but one of the places the patients had more commonly been in the previous 14 days was restaurants. People can't eat and wear masks and at least where I live you're not required to wear them once you're seated at a table. But for those eating indoors, circulated air can pose a greater risk of exposure to the virus.

I'm not saying masks will always work, but on the flip side they won't always fail and they aren't going to infect you (if you're wearing them and handling them the way you should) more than if you hadn't worn them at all. So using this as a reason not to wear a mask? It doesn't make the case.

It really is pathetic isn't it? Wearing a mask doesn't so much protect the wearer but other people from transmission but hey, certain snowflakes want to whine on about their rights being violated regardless or some such garbage.
 

eider

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It really is pathetic isn't it? Wearing a mask doesn't so much protect the wearer but other people from transmission but hey, certain snowflakes want to whine on about their rights being violated regardless or some such garbage.

Where I live, not wearing a mask is a really bad idea. It's not just the shops, buses, trains etc that turn you away, it's the fines.

All our medical workers wear masks all shift long, and then I read laymen trying to be clever about why they don't work. Duh.....
 

ok doser

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Where I live, not wearing a mask is a really bad idea. It's not just the shops, buses, trains etc that turn you away, it's the fines.

In Quebec, up to $6000

All our medical workers wear masks all shift long...

as have I when I've worked in the OR or the ICU's

They were very different masks than the masks under discussion here.
 
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ok doser

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no one (hyperbole) handles mask correctly , everybody adjusts them while wearing them
they touch a door handle then later they adjust their mask , a warm & moist environment , a literal petri dish on their face,
so yes masks cause infection

cloth masks have a 97% failure rate at prevention

ok doser

When I wore a mask when I was working in the OR or the ICU's, I also washed my hands literally hundreds of times a day. And gloved before touching a patient or a sample.

We're talking apples and oranges here.
 

Jonahdog

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Yep, lets cherry pick data from a cherry picked study, dont bother to try to understand it and use it to ignore basic public health info.
 

ok doser

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Yep, lets cherry pick data from a cherry picked study, dont bother to try to understand it and use it to ignore basic public health info.

Dude - nobody's telling you you can't wear a mask. Go ahead, wear a mask at night when you're sleeping if it makes you feel safer.
 
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