Will Taiwan be destroyed by China while Biden remains silent?

[Red Wave Rising]

P.S. Do you not remember how many times GWB changed his story about why Iraq needed to be invaded?

You sound like you are parroting fake news. GWB gave several compelling reasons for the invasion, any one of which justified invasion.

One of them was his violation of the cease fire agreement after the first Gulf war. That alone justified invasion, and therefore that alone makes you wrong when you said it was unjust.

 

[Right Divider]

I am done with you.

 

[ok doser]

Perhaps you could get me a little summary.
Vietnam was not a "just war" to get into halfway around the world.

Fun background - a delegation from "French Indochina" attended the Paris Peace accords in 1919 and petitioned Wilson, Clemenceau and Lloyd George for independence from French colonial rule. They were ignored.

In attendance with the Vietnamese delegation was 28 year-old Ho Chi Minh.

Missed opportunities and paths not taken, eh?

 

[ok doser]

Perhaps you don't know that Saddam Hussein was a friend of this country until this country decided that he wasn't.

He was a useful tool in our opposition to the fundamentalist moosie rulers in Iran.

I was a sophomore in college when the Shah fell, at a top-ranked engineering school, on a Chemical Engineering / Petroleum Engineering track at the time. My roommate was on the same track. He was an exchange student from Iran and feared going home at the end of that semester. He didn't come back.


If we can manage to transition away from a fossil fuel based civilization to a renewable energy civilization without destroying ourselves, I will be amazed.

And have a renewed hope for our future.

 

[Right Divider]

He was a useful tool in our opposition to the fundamentalist moosie rulers in Iran.

Yes, many "friends" of the elite politicians are like that.

I was a sophomore in college when the Shah fell, at a top-ranked engineering school, on a Chemical Engineering / Petroleum Engineering track at the time. My roommate was on the same track. He was an exchange student from Iran and feared going home at the end of that semester. He didn't come back.

Sad.

If we can manage to transition away from a fossil fuel based civilization to a renewable energy civilization without destroying ourselves, I will be amazed.

It's far more difficult and complicated than most people think. Especially with all of the false reporting about it (eg. looking only at the positives and ignoring the negatives).

And have a renewed hope for our future.

My only hope for the future is Christ's calling us up and His later return.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

Fun background - a delegation from "French Indochina" attended the Paris Peace accords in 1919 and petitioned Wilson, Clemenceau and Lloyd George for independence from French colonial rule. They were ignored.

In attendance with the Vietnamese delegation was 28 year-old Ho Chi Minh.

Missed opportunities and paths not taken, eh?

We always tell Liberals who cry about the founding fathers & slavery that they need to place themselves in the context of the times.

Likewise, when "judging" a war like Viet Nam, we must go back to those times.

May 1961, A MERE 16 YEARS after the end of WWII, JFK authorized sending an additional 500 Special Forces troops and military advisors to Viet Nam. Communism and the spread of it was serious. We had also ended the Korea conflict in the form of a cease fire and a split country, which was not an ideal outcome, but the spread of the North was still stopped.

In light of that we probably sought a repeat, another blunting on the spread of a norther communist country into another south.

Again, in the context of the time, that is perfectly justified.

Regarding your mention of Missed opportunities and paths not taken: I am sure there were missed opportunities just as there were before WWII. As for paths not taken, hindsight sure is nice.

But still, at the time, the action was justified.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

If we can manage to transition away from a fossil fuel based civilization to a renewable energy civilization without destroying ourselves, I will be amazed.

Necessity is the mother of invention. When fossil fuels really ARE gone, an invention of some sort and capitalism will step in to fill the void.

 

[ok doser]

Necessity is the mother of invention. When fossil fuels really ARE gone, an invention of some sort and capitalism will step in to fill the void.

Fossil fuels will never be gone. They will become unprofitable to extract. That was the wonder of the fracking revolution, the development of a process to access previously inaccessible resources.

 

[ok doser]

Necessity is the mother of invention. When fossil fuels really ARE gone, an invention of some sort and capitalism will step in to fill the void.

Consider this "origins of petroleum" theory from a Cornell professor: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold


As an aside, my best friend from high school was at Cornell in a similar program to mine and attended lectures that Gold gave. Sagan too.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

The Nazis made synthetic oil. How could they do that and we cannot

German chemical giant IG Farben entered the realm of synthetic petroleum production with its first processing plant at Leuna in 1927. Production in that first year of operation yielded an impressive 2.2 million barrels, which was soon increased to an average output of 3.6 million annually.

 

[Right Divider]

Fossil fuels will never be gone. They will become unprofitable to extract. That was the wonder of the fracking revolution, the development of a process to access previously inaccessible resources.

Gone as a viable source of energy.

 

[ok doser]

The Nazis made synthetic oil. How could they do that and we cannot

German chemical giant IG Farben entered the realm of synthetic petroleum production with its first processing plant at Leuna in 1927. Production in that first year of operation yielded an impressive 2.2 million barrels, which was soon increased to an average output of 3.6 million annually.

We can. I did in the lab when I was in college. It's basic organic synthetic chemistry. And we studied the Farben process in class. In fact at that time in the chemistry program that I was in we were required to have two years of German, because so much of the seminal organic chemistry was published in German.

What is difficult is scaling it up. And what is impossible is doing it profitably. Germany could justify the cost during WW2 because we were denying them access to the petroleum resources that they had had in the past.

But it was never a financially viable process.

 

[ok doser]

Gone as a viable source of energy.

I suspect they will always have a value for plastics production.

 

[marke]

P.S. Do you not remember how many times GWB changed his story about why Iraq needed to be invaded?

Do you remember why Senator Clinton said we need to go to war with Iraq?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Perhaps you could get me a little summary.
Vietnam was not a "just war" to get into halfway around the world.

Brief summary for the parts relevant to this discussion: Vietnam was a war to stop the spread of Communism. And while we did not succeed in preventing Vietnam from becoming communist (the loss), we DID put an end to the streak of nations becoming communist (a win in any book).

Most people seem to forget the latter. And since it is in ANY nation's best interests to stop the spread of communism because of how destructive it is, the war in Vietnam was completely justified.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

Brief summary for the parts relevant to this discussion: Vietnam was a war to stop the spread of Communism. And while we did not succeed in preventing Vietnam from becoming communist (the loss), we DID put an end to the streak of nations becoming communist (a win in any book).

Most people seem to forget the latter. And since it is in ANY nation's best interests to stop the spread of communism because of how destructive it is, the war in Vietnam was completely justified.

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[Right Divider]

Brief summary for the parts relevant to this discussion: Vietnam was a war to stop the spread of Communism. And while we did not succeed in preventing Vietnam from becoming communist (the loss), we DID put an end to the streak of nations becoming communist (a win in any book).

Since when was that job assigned to the USA?

Most people seem to forget the latter. And since it is in ANY nation's best interests to stop the spread of communism because of how destructive it is, the war in Vietnam was completely justified.

Why didn't all of the other nations what were not halfway around the world take on that responsibility?
If the need was so great, why did LBJ have to lie to get us into that war?

 

[marke]

Since when was that job assigned to the USA?

Why didn't all of the other nations what were not halfway around the world take on that responsibility?
If the need was so great, why did LBJ have to lie to get us into that war?

Americans in earlier times had good morals and judgment and were willing to sacrifice to save helpless people in other nations from enslavement to wicked murderers.

 

[Right Divider]

Americans in earlier times had good morals and judgment and were willing to sacrifice to save helpless people in other nations from enslavement to wicked murderers.

If you're going to respond to a post... respond to its CONTENTS.

 

[marke]

If you're going to respond to a post... respond to its CONTENTS.

What is it you don't like about my post? Justification for US involvement in wars worldwide?