Jesus the Son was separated from the Father.
No.
We're not saying the Father died.
We're saying the Son died.
On the omniscience of God
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Jesus the Son was separated from the Father.
No.
We're not saying the Father died.
We're saying the Son died.
The Father did not die because He is unchanging, immutable, no shadow or variation,He knows the end from the beginning, which is exactly what I have been saying all along.
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Begging the question is a logical fallacy.
Believing and quoting scripture may be a logical fallacy to some , but to many it is simply believing scripture. My last post had the gist of 3 different scriptures.
Again, no one said the Father died.
Wrong.
Which do not mean "immutable."
Wrong. He "declares" the end from the beginning. Not "knows."
Wrong.
No one is saying that quoting scripture is a logical fallacy.
We're saying that you are begging the question, because you are, in fact, begging the question.
And Clete has addressed those verses multiple times in this thread, and not once did you even recognize it.
Addressed or yanked out of context ? Malachi 3:6 God says He changes not so the context is He does NOT change, but if you yank a verse out of context it is nothing more than a pre text.
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You clearly have no idea what a logical fallacy is... Or for that matter, what logic is.
You apparently don't know the meaning of the word "context."
The context of something cannot be itself.
but if you yank a verse out of context it is nothing more than a pre text.Mal 3:6 - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacobare not consumed.
"if you yank a verse out of context it is nothing more than a pretext."
LN: immediately does just that.
Do you see the problem yet?
I've addressed Malachi 3:6 already. It has nothing to do with God being immutable, and everything to do with God keeping His promises, especially promises made in a covenant relationship.
Your beginning to sound like a RC saying it does not mean what it says,lol.
I always consider the source, and you aren’t much of a source.
It means exactly what it says within the context that it says it.
It doesn't mean what you want it to say.
Correct and it says I change not. How many different ways can you interpret “ I change not” ? Mal 3:6 - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. If you actually read the verse it says you are not consumed because I change not. See that word “ therefore” it’s pretty important ? God is saying I change not and because I change not THEREFORE.
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You are denser than osmium.
Lol, why because I actually believe what God said as opposed to making it fit what I think it should say ?
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You do not understand the verse that you quote and yet you are blindly believing that you do.
And then it says, "Therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed."
“Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.“But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire And like launderers’ soap.He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord An offering in righteousness.“Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem Will be pleasant to the Lord, As in the days of old, As in former years.And I will come near you for judgment; I will be a swift witness Against sorcerers, Against adulterers, Against perjurers, Against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans, And against those who turn away an alien— Because they do not fear Me,” Says the Lord of hosts.“For I am the Lord, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.Yet from the days of your fathers You have gone away from My ordinances And have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you,” Says the Lord of hosts. “But you said, ‘In what way shall we return?’ - Malachi 3:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi3:1-7&version=NKJV
The entire chapter so far is talking about God not changing his righteous standards.
Clearly there are at least two: one the correct way by using the context to determine what it's referring to, and one the incorrect way, by just taking it completely out of context and insisting that it means woodenly literally that God does not change in any way whatsoever, despite countless other scriptures that show that He DOES change, ESPECIALLY verses dealing with His incarnation.
Yes, I know what it says. Stamping your foot and repeating yourself isn't going to convince me that you're right.
Actually, what it says is that God is righteous, and THAT's the reason that the sons of Jacob are not consumed.
His standard is consistent. He does not change in that way.
This is what happens when you rip a verse out of context, which I have provided above in this post.
You're lagging behind in the conversation. I've now addressed this twice, once in this post, and once previously.
@Leatherneck did the entire city of Jerusalem, all Judea, and the whole literal region around the Jordan river come out to John as he was baptizing people?
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him - Matthew 3:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew3:5&version=NKJV
Or is the verse saying that there were many people who came from Jerusalem, Judea, and the region around the Jordan to be baptized?
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him - Matthew 3:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew3:5&version=NKJV
Or is the verse saying that there were many people who came from Jerusalem, Judea, and the region around the Jordan to be baptized?
You sure jammed a whole lot in that verse that it does NOT say. I change not therefore. The reason they weren’t consumed is that God does not change.Why aren’t the sons of Jacob consumed ? That would because as God said “I change not”.
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