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How do you come to that conclusion?
The Book of Revelation: Mystery Or Profitable?
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Arial
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Actually it is not true that I think It is true of everyone else but not for me. If you would read more carefully you would realize that I said EVERYONE (I am part of everyone) thinks they are right, otherwise they would believe something else. It is only SOME people on here that think that doesn't apply to them. They think because they think it, that makes it right. Which I decidedly do not. That is why I am always looking.
I see you are able to carry on conversations with others without resorting to this time of sniping. If you can't do so with me, then don't respond to my posts. I don't have time for or interest in you cattiness.
glorydaz
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I'm not buying it. There is common sense and we see people using it all the time in all kinds of situations.
You're right about it not being common....in this day and age. People think they're too smart to use it.
glorydaz
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Right, it's only the other guy that does the wrong.
And, I'll respond to any post I want to including yours.
I do believe it was you talking about the "snot" in my nose. That was especially cute. Keep up the good work.
Arial
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I think this is Jesus promising to nourish them with unfailing spiritual food, though it cannot be seen now with human eyes. But why the reference of white stone and a new name?
Manna looked like a white stone---so could be that. In any case it is relating to events that occurred when God brought Israel out of Egypt through the desert, or wilderness. (With Christ going before them and as their rear gurard!) Putting it together with Is 62:2, is the new name, the church made up of all tribes and nations and languages New Israel (the New Jerusalem)?
Interesting fact though: Pink granite dominated the buildings of Pergamos because it was readily available locally. In the ruins they have found special inscription stones of white marble. Could be part of what was on Jesus's mind. These white stones gained in value because of their superior beauty and the difficulty in acquiring them. I can certainly see a metaphor in there of the what it cost Jesus to purchase the church and our great value because of it.
Rev 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
And the beast is Herod, since he was called a fox in the Gospels, and I assume through inflation that he was able to give his followers 666 dinarai.
The two witnesses which were "raised" from the dead were John the baptist, and Jesus bar El, the son of god.
Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
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You went way off the rails there...
This sort of post fascinates the heck out of me.
It starts with a perfectly valid observation (as stated) but then undermines itself by ending with an example that is actually counter to the original point, or at least what should have been the original point.
For any thinking person it is obvious that pretty much everyone thinks they are right. But if those who think they're right is most everyone then within that group, there are at least two sub-groups, those who actually do have good reason to think they're right and those who don't. The person in Arial's example is obviously in the latter of those two groups. Just because a person thinks they are right doesn't mean they've done any real thinking.
Easily the best and most current example of this on TOL is blackSand. He's an outright heretical moron who even after being practically begged to make an argument, demonstrated without doubt that he hasn't any idea how to defend his beliefs with anything that looks like a reasonable argument. He actually does believe that his strong conviction and the emphatic declaration of his beliefs ought to be enough to persuade everyone that he's right and he freezes like a deer in headlights when someone insists that he establish his unsupported premises.
Arial's real point with this post, I think, was to convey the need for everyone to be tolerant of opposing views because everyone is just as convinced that their view is correct as anyone else is. I agree with this to a point. I do not agree that everyone is actually as convinced as everyone else because they haven't put in the work required but I do agree that people ought to be given the benefit of the doubt but for only so long as doubt exists. People may well have come to their beliefs honestly and perhaps they are willing to think through the issues pertinent to a particular position and allow sound reason and the word of God to persuade their minds. These are my favorite kind of people! Even if they remain unconvinced, if such is their attitude, I can discuss and debate with them until the cows come home. And this is the attitude that EVERYONE ought to have! Sadly, the fact is that such an attitude is very much the exception and not the rule.
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Revelation is full of past events. It is you who is way off the rails.
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You never even came close to answering the question that you were asked.
What question is that?
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It's still in the thread.
That it is Jerusalem rather than Israel. There are few reports of murdering of prophets outside of Judah in the NT; and all that are in the NT are in Jerusalem. This suggests the whore is just a city, as is the bride of Christ.
I still need to work in what is the Dragon with horns. Probably Israel, but Babylon the Great gets mentioned separately from the Whore, and Rome is only noted as a bunch of locusts.
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The "woman" is chapter 12 is NOT the "whore" in later chapters.
You need lots of work on the entire Bible.
Your confusion is immense.
oops. It is a long time since I have read Revelation of Jesus Christ.
I am not as confused as the Trinity Dogma.
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The "woman" in chapter 12 is neither of those things.
Yes, I understand that you reject the Bible.
No, I just reject the Trinity Dogma. The Jews reject it too. I am in good company.
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The Jews rejected Jesus too. You are in that company.
The tribe of Judah rejected Jesus agreed, but that doesn't mean all of raptured Israel and gentiles believed he was god. If anything the rapture has already happened among pre-70AD farming culture. Why is idolatry Orthodoxy?