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I knew when I came back here that all of you would reject everything I have to say as what I now believe is at odds with everything you believe.

You have given us ZERO reasons to change what we believe.

The only way you'll do so is if you present a compelling case for your position, something you seem loathe to do.
 

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I ask you if you see your Christian brothers the way Paul did? Do you love them and treat them as Paul did? Is love for God the basis of your beliefs? The same kind of love Jesus displayed for you by suffering and dying for you?

The answer to all of these questions is YES!

An answer which you have been given before but seemingly refuse to acknowledge.
 

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The answer to all of these questions is YES!

An answer which you have been given before but seemingly refuse to acknowledge.
No, I do not acknowledge that. Jesus is kind, loving and thoughtful You are rude insulting and condescending. I see you also ignored my reference to John 17: 1-3. Do you have a personal relationship with your heavenly Father and Jesus? If not you will never make it to heaven nor will you ever love your fellow man like Jesus does. Do you really know Him on a personal basis?
 

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I knew when I came back here that all of you would reject everything I have to say as what I now believe is at odds with everything you believe.
Too bad, Mr KnowItAll.
I now understand that even better so I ask you if you see your Christian brothers the way Paul did?
Paul corrected many of his Christian brothers.
Do you love them and treat them as Paul did?
Yes, I do. I don't coddle them in their false beliefs.
Is love for God the basis of your beliefs?
You are so arrogant.
The same kind of love Jesus displayed for you by suffering and dying for you?
Jesus also corrected many people.
Do you understand the very basis of salvation?
Yes, I do. What does that have to do with your unreliable news source?

Instead of acting like an emotional little child, why don't you grow up?

You seem to think that everyone needs to agree with you or they are not "loving" you.

You expected us to accept your news source as reliable because you find them reliable. Sorry, but that does not work!
 

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Too bad, Mr KnowItAll.

Paul corrected many of his Christian brothers.

Yes, I do. I don't coddle them in their false beliefs.

You are so arrogant.

Jesus also corrected many people.

Yes, I do. What does that have to do with your unreliable news source?

Instead of acting like an emotional little child, why don't you grow up?

You seem to think that everyone needs to agree with you or they are not "loving" you.

You expected us to accept your news source as reliable because you find them reliable. Sorry, but that does not work!
What I said here is based upon you saying you've never accepted my sources.

The scriptural part is just acknowledging that. Paul wasn't rude and insulting to anyone. He called the Corinthians his brothers in Christ who were far from perfect as they were filled with lousy behaviors and one was sleeping with his stepmother.

1Corinthians 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?



They were even arguing/fighting over whose preaching converted them.


Do you traet other Christians the way Paul did? Nope. You insult and revile them for simply living according to their own conscience rather than yours as you have been doing with CabinetMaker. In other words you're a control freak and control freaks are extremely hard to get along with.
 

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What I said here is based upon you saying you've never accepted my sources.
I did NOT say that. This is another example of your problems. You read things that are not there.

What I actually was saying is that I do not accept a source as reliable simply because you say that it's reliable.
The scriptural part is just acknowledging that. Paul wasn't rude and insulting to anyone.
I'm not rude or insulting either. You are just hypersensitive to criticism.
He called the Corinthians his brothers in Christ who were far from perfect as they were filled with lousy behaviors and one was sleeping with his stepmother.
When have I said that you are not a brother in Christ? (Hint: never)
They were even arguing/fighting over whose preaching converted them.
And? Perhaps you have a point. Make it.
Do you traet other Christians the way Paul did? Nope.
Yes, I do.
You insult and revile them for simply living according to their own conscience rather than yours as you have been doing with CabinetMaker. In other words you're a control freak and control freaks are extremely hard to get along with.
You are childish and confused.

You are also quite self-righteous, but I'm sure that you cannot even see that.

P.S. Is calling me a "control freak" insulting?
 

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I did NOT say that. This is another example of your problems. You read things that are not there.

What I actually was saying is that I do not accept a source as reliable simply because you say that it's reliable.

I'm not rude or insulting either. You are just hypersensitive to criticism.

When have I said that you are not a brother in Christ? (Hint: never)

And? Perhaps you have a point. Make it.

Yes, I do.

You are childish and confused.

You are also quite self-righteous, but I'm sure that you cannot even see that.

P.S. Is calling me a "control freak" insulting?

I have no doubt you see it that way.

So calling me a liar and insulting me is calling me a brother in Christ like Paul did with the Corinthians? Paul actually expressed that to the Corinthians before he criticized them. You never have until just now. I've been pretty patient with you and just accepted your insults most of the time. You've mocked me a lot especially about miracles and I could tell you about time after time when God has saved my life and my angel has spoken to me, but I have not witnessed to you about it because I figure you will reject it.
 

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I have no doubt you see it that way.

So calling me a liar and insulting me is calling me a brother in Christ like Paul did with the Corinthians?
When you lie, I will call it that. Is the truth a problem for you?
Paul actually expressed that to the Corinthians before he criticized them.
You poor baby.
You never have until just now. I've been pretty patient with you and just accepted your insults most of the time.
You are very proud of yourself.
You've mocked me a lot especially about miracles and I could tell you about time after time when God has saved my life and my angel has spoken to me, but I have not witnessed to you about it because I figure you will reject it.
You have "an angel" speaking to you? Are you sure it's one that is on God's team and not a fallen angel trying to deceive you?
 

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When you lie, I will call it that. Is the truth a problem for you?

You poor baby.

You are very proud of yourself.

You have "an angel" speaking to you? Are you sure it's one that is on God's team and not a fallen angel trying to deceive you?
How can you possibly read what is in my heart? I watched you call Hoping a liar rime after time and hew was honest in his beliefs. Mistaken but honest. He actually changed his beliefs somewhat after the discussion he and I had as he no longer claimed to be sinless and that the devil had to leave real Christians alone because he knew tempting them couldn't work.

I said I have had. When he is trying to save my life or keep me from being seriously injured I know whose side he's on. I've also had the devil come after me to possess me, That was the most afraid I've ever been and I've had a crazy addict pull a gun on me and tell me he was going to take me out in the country, shoot me and bury me where I wouldn't be found and a land owner come after me for fishing on his land with a shotgun so I've been in a very stressful situation or two.
 

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How can you possibly read what is in my heart?
I don't and have never claimed that ability. This is just another case of your confused "thinking".
I watched you call Hoping a liar rime after time and hew was honest in his beliefs.
I called him a liar WHEN he lied. I do the same with everyone and expect the same about me if I were to lie.
Mistaken but honest.
I don't call people liars when they are simply mistaken.
He actually changed his beliefs somewhat after the discussion he and I had as he no longer claimed to be sinless and that the devil had to leave real Christians alone because he knew tempting them couldn't work.
I have never seen any post where he seemed to finally agree that he was not sinless.
I said I have had. When he is trying to save my life or keep me from being seriously injured I know whose side he's on. I've also had the devil come after me to possess me, That was the most afraid I've ever been and I've had a crazy addict pull a gun on me and tell me he was going to take me out in the country, shoot me and bury me where I wouldn't be found and a land owner come after me for fishing on his land with a shotgun so I've been in a very stressful situation or two.
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No, I do not acknowledge that.

Thanks for admitting what I just said.

Jesus is kind, loving and thoughtful

You must be reading a different Bible than me, because mine includes verses like Matthew 11:7, 16:23, 23:13-36, 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17; Luke 19:45-46; John 2:14-15, and many others where Jesus was not kind.

You are rude insulting and condescending.

So was Jesus. See Matthew 15:10-14. And the above verses.

I see you also ignored my reference to John 17: 1-3. Do you have a personal relationship with your heavenly Father and Jesus? If not you will never make it to heaven nor will you ever love your fellow man like Jesus does. Do you really know Him on a personal basis?

What does me being saved have to do with this discussion?
 

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Paul called the Galatians foolish.

If that's not insulting, I don't know what is.
But before he did he said good things about them.


Galatians 1: 1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.



Who did Paul blame for the problems in the churches in Galatia? The Galatians or the ones teaching them heresy? Is that what you do? Nope. You blame those who disagree with your beliefs. Big difference between you and Paul,
 

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Thanks for admitting what I just said.



You must be reading a different Bible than me, because mine includes verses like Matthew 11:7, 16:23, 23:13-36, 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17; Luke 19:45-46; John 2:14-15, and many others where Jesus was not kind.



So was Jesus. See Matthew 15:10-14. And the above verses.



What does me being saved have to do with this discussion?
Do you think Jesus was able to draw crowds of up to 5,000 people through insulting people? Do you think mothers brought their children to Him because they knew He would insult them?

You apparently know very little about human nature.
 
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But before he did he said good things about them.

Yes, praising people when they do the right thing is a good thing to do.

Doesn't mean you get to ignore the other half where Paul blasts them for being fools.

Who did Paul blame for the problems in the churches in Galatia? The Galatians or the ones teaching them heresy?

BOTH.

It's not "either or."

It's BOTH AND.

Is that what you do? Nope.

Yes, it is.

You blame those who disagree with your beliefs.

Once again bearing false witness, Gary. It's getting tiring having to deal with your false accusations.

Once more: I COULDN'T CARE LESS whether you disagree with me. What I care about is if you're intellectually honest enough to admit when you're wrong, which so far you have NEVER EVER NOT ONCE done.

I blame you for your unwillingness to recognize truth, not because you disagree with me.

Big difference between you and Paul,

There is none.
 

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Do you think Jesus was able to draw crowds of up to 5,000 people through insulting people. Do you think mothers brought their children to Him because they knew He would insult them?

You apparently know very little about human nature.

Addressed already in another thread.

I know human nature very well.

The crowds came because they wanted the miracles He did, not because of what He said.

It's why Jesus rejected the woman who wanted Him to heal her daughter at first.

You apparently know very little about Jesus. I recommend you actually read through the Gospels again.
 

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I don't and have never claimed that ability. This is just another case of your confused "thinking".

I called him a liar WHEN he lied. I do the same with everyone and expect the same about me if I were to lie.

I don't call people liars when they are simply mistaken.

I have never seen any post where he seemed to finally agree that he was not sinless.

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How can you read his heart? You can't, as you're not God. He was mistaken, honestly mistaken. He came back and said he honestly believed what he said when we were discussing him later. That's a big difference between you and I. I will not believe some one is a liar until they say something I know is a lie because they contradict themselves. Even then I'm hesitant to call them a liar as I don't want to destroy any relationship between us because as soon as that happens I have no further opportunity to influence them to do better. Destroying relationships is negative for all involved.

So you read every post he ever made? Never missed a one of them?
 
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