I Disagree With This One Statement In The MAD Forum:

[VladtheDestroyer]

For Sincere Inquisitors ONLY: MAD Explained

GO AWAY Let me start by asking that troublemakers and opposers who are already convinced of themselves please refrain from posting in this thread. I would appreciate it if people like godrulz, andyc, cistercian, and others with similar agendas stay away. I'll respectfully ask that the...

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From OP:

"ON THE BIBLE
I'll kick it off by stating that MidActs Dispensationalism is an approach to reading and studying the Bible. Those of us who hold to this approach believe that we must read and study the Bible FORWARD, rather than BACKWARD. By this, I mean that we must understand what comes before Exodus before we can understand Exodus. We must understand "Old Testament" prophecy before we can understand Matthew. We must understand those things before we can understand what's going on in Acts. We believe that it is highly dangerous (to a doctrinal position that one formulates) for a person to read BACKWARD, meaning that he/she interprets an epistle, for instance, and then forces the things written previously to mean the same thing."

I am a MidActs Dispensationalist. MAD makes perfect sense to me. But to me this above quote seems rather arbitrary, out of place and wrong. What is the basis for it? How is it "dangerous" to understand the Old Testament in light of the New?

I want to make a couple of brief points:

No one can fully understand why Moses rose up the image of a serpent, except in light of Christ's crucifixion.

Also, in his writings to the Gentiles, Paul never mentions:

1. Noah
2. The Flood
3. The Significance of Passover
4. The Genealogy given in Gen 5 and 10
5. Daniel!!!!
6. Joshua
7. Joseph
8. Ezekiel
9. Melchizedek
10. The Babylonian Exile

Ect Ect. He never tells the Gentiles about Elijah or the or the tabernacle.

IIRC Paul never once even mentions a single Old Testament prophecy about Jesus to the Gentiles.

I am posting this here because I do not want to be a member of the MAD forum. Other than this one issue, I don't expect I would find anything else to debate about or add too. And Right Divider's MidActs Presentations are already the most valuable tools for teaching the Bible that I have ever seen.

 

[JudgeRightly]

For Sincere Inquisitors ONLY: MAD Explained

GO AWAY Let me start by asking that troublemakers and opposers who are already convinced of themselves please refrain from posting in this thread. I would appreciate it if people like godrulz, andyc, cistercian, and others with similar agendas stay away. I'll respectfully ask that the...

theologyonline.com

From OP:

"ON THE BIBLE
I'll kick it off by stating that MidActs Dispensationalism is an approach to reading and studying the Bible. Those of us who hold to this approach believe that we must read and study the Bible FORWARD, rather than BACKWARD. By this, I mean that we must understand what comes before Exodus before we can understand Exodus. We must understand "Old Testament" prophecy before we can understand Matthew. We must understand those things before we can understand what's going on in Acts. We believe that it is highly dangerous (to a doctrinal position that one formulates) for a person to read BACKWARD, meaning that he/she interprets an epistle, for instance, and then forces the things written previously to mean the same thing."

I am a MidActs Dispensationalist. MAD makes perfect sense to me. But to me this above quote seems rather arbitrary, out of place and wrong. What is the basis for it? How is it "dangerous" to understand the Old Testament in light of the New?

I want to make a couple of brief points:

No one can fully understand why Moses rose up the image of a serpent, except in light of Christ's crucifixion.

Also, in his writings to the Gentiles, Paul never mentions:

1. Noah
2. The Flood
3. The Significance of Passover
4. The Genealogy given in Gen 5 and 10
5. Daniel!!!!
6. Joshua
7. Joseph
8. Ezekiel
9. Melchizedek
10. The Babylonian Exile

Ect Ect. He never tells the Gentiles about Elijah or the or the tabernacle.

IIRC Paul never once even mentions a single Old Testament prophecy about Jesus to the Gentiles.

I am posting this here because I do not want to be a member of the MAD forum. Other than this one issue, I don't expect I would find anything else to debate about or add too. And Right Divider's MidActs Presentations are already the most valuable tools for teaching the Bible that I have ever seen.

Have you ever tried to read a story chapter by chapter, but instead of starting from the first chapter, you start with the last?

The only end result of that is confusion, no?

And Paul does refer to the Old Testament as a whole, and particular passages throughout, many of which you need to understand at least the general context to understand the point he's making. "That which came before."

Iow, Paul's letters do not exist in a vacuum.

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

Have you ever tried to read a story chapter by chapter, but instead of starting from the first chapter, you start with the last?

The only end result of that is confusion, no?

And Paul does refer to the Old Testament as a whole, and particular passages throughout, many of which you need to understand at least the general context to understand the point he's making. "That which came before."

Iow, Paul's letters do not exist in a vacuum.

I think Jesus helps us understand the OT better than the OT helps us understand Jesus.

Besides Moses raising up the serpent, another example might be the theme of contended birthrights in the Bible.

Am I in "danger" of being a heretic for saying that? Because according to the link I posted in the OP, it sounds like I am.

 

[Nick M]

Also, in his writings to the Gentiles, Paul never mentions:

He tells them to study the scriptures and divide it. His authority is from the risen Lord Jesus Christ directly.

If you study what came first, what came after makes more sense. That is Randy's point. Many who say they are Christian are under the curse of the law according to Paul. Because they think Matthew, Mark, Luke and John doctrine is for them. And Pentecost.

3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;

5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine.

6 “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

My ancestors from England, Scotland and Normandy were strangers to these promises. Below is from Daniel. If people don't know this, they think the good news of the kingdom has something to do with them.

24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

My ancestors from England, Scotland and Normandy were strangers to these promises. Below is from Daniel. If people don't know this, they think the good news of the kingdom has something to do with them.
24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,

Wow! Now I see!

This a very thoughtful and on target rebuttal to the point I was making.

I don't see any point of me making any further replies to this thread.