Reconciled to God while enemies !

[beloved57]

to men without Law as if I were without Law--although I am not without Law in relation to God but am abiding in Christ's Law--in order to win those who are without Law.
1 Corinthians 9:21

Was Paul a Gentile ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Do you know who the both are here being reconciled to God ?

 

[God's Truth]

Was Paul a Gentile ?

to men without Law as if I were without Law--although I am not without Law in relation to God but am abiding in Christ's Law--in order to win those who are without Law.
1 Corinthians 9:21

Do you know who the both are here being reconciled to God ?

When Jesus came to earth and had his earthly ministry---God had cut off and hardened the Jews who did not have faith in HIM before Jesus came. God cut off those Jews and left them all to disobedience WITH THE GENTILES.

Now, Jews like the Gentiles have to come to God through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[beloved57]

to men without Law as if I were without Law--although I am not without Law in relation to God but am abiding in Christ's Law--in order to win those who are without Law.
1 Corinthians 9:21



When Jesus came to earth and had his earthly ministry---God had cut off and hardened the Jews who did not have faith in HIM before Jesus came. God cut off those Jews and left them all to disobedience WITH THE GENTILES.

Now, Jews like the Gentiles have to come to God through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Do you know who the Both are here ? Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

You said:

Reconciled while enemies is about GENTILES;

 

[God's Truth]

Do you know who the Both are here ? Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

You said:

When Jesus came to earth and had his earthly ministry---God had cut off and hardened the Jews who did not have faith in HIM before Jesus came. God cut off those Jews and left them all to disobedience WITH THE GENTILES.

Now, Jews like the Gentiles have to come to God through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[beloved57]

gt

Reconciled while enemies is about GENTILES;

That statement is error, its false and here is why Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Paul Identifies himself with one of the ones reconciled while being an enemy. Now Paul is a jew, Phil 3:4-5

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Also this scripture shows you are in error Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Both here means both jews and gentiles, which means both jews and gentiles needed to be reconciled by His Death of the Cross which is what Rom 5:10 means by we being reconciled by His Death. So you are in error !

 

[beloved57]

Reconciliation is Salvation ! 2

Reconciliation is Salvation ! 2

Many today refuse to acknowledge that the Reconciliation of the Cross of Christ of all those He died for is their Salvation. Yes Rom 5:10 actually informs us that all for whom Christ died shall be saved.

The reconciliation here informs us that those reconciled to God by Christ's death shall also be saved by being brought back into a relationship of fellowship with God. Thats what being saved entails, it means as well as other things [like saved from the penalty of sin] it means also to bring into the Fellowship with God and the Lord Jesus Christ. All those Christ died for are at first by nature alienated from the Life of God, estranged from Him, dead in trespasses and sins, and are enemies in their minds towards God by wicked works, but the Death of Christ, effects reconciliation of them to God as taught here Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Notice here Paul says that they had been reconciled from a state of being at enmity in their minds by wicked works, that they had been reconciled out of that How ? In the Body of His flesh through Death ! That is the same Death Paul mentions here Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now I challenge anyone to prove that Christ's Death here in Rom 5:10 that Paul focuses on is not the same one in Col 1:22 that Paul focuses on.

This proves from scripture that Christ's death in and of itself saves them He died for and puts them into a right relationship and fellowship with God.

To deny this is to simply deny the Cross of Christ, which constitutes an unbeliever. A believer does not and cannot deny that the Cross of Christ saved those He died for.

 

[God's Truth]

gt



That statement is error, its false and here is why Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Paul Identifies himself with one of the ones reconciled while being an enemy. Now Paul is a jew, Phil 3:4-5

Paul was not saved as the other apostles were saved. Paul was not of the remnant who was saved by faith when Jesus was alive on the earth. Paul was an enemy of God, he tried to destroy the Church.

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Also this scripture shows you are in error Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Both here means both jews and gentiles, which means both jews and gentiles needed to be reconciled by His Death of the Cross which is what Rom 5:10 means by we being reconciled by His Death. So you are in error !

The Jews who were saved when Jesus had his ministry on earth---those were the only Jews saved at that time---the rest of the Jews God cut off and left to disobedience with the Gentiles.

When Jesus was crucified, then all men can come to him, but remember that first he came for the remnant of Jews saved by faith. If the rest of the Jews do not persist in unbelief, God can graft them back in.

 

[beloved57]

gt

Reconciled while enemies is about GENTILES;

That statement is error, its false and here is why Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Paul Identifies himself with one of the ones reconciled while being an enemy. Now Paul is a jew, Phil 3:4-5

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Also this scripture shows you are in error Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Both here means both jews and gentiles, which means both jews and gentiles needed to be reconciled by His Death of the Cross which is what Rom 5:10 means by we being reconciled by His Death. So you are in error !

 

[God's Truth]

gt




That statement is error, its false and here is why Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Paul Identifies himself with one of the ones reconciled while being an enemy. Now Paul is a jew, Phil 3:4-5

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Also this scripture shows you are in error Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Both here means both jews and gentiles, which means both jews and gentiles needed to be reconciled by His Death of the Cross which is what Rom 5:10 means by we being reconciled by His Death. So you are in error !

All the Jews who God cut off when Jesus was on earth, they can now be grafted back in if they do not persist in unbelief. See Romans 11:23.

 

[beloved57]

gt

Reconciled while enemies is about GENTILES;

That statement is error, its false and here is why Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Paul Identifies himself with one of the ones reconciled while being an enemy. Now Paul is a jew, Phil 3:4-5

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Also this scripture shows you are in error Eph 2:16

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Both here means both jews and gentiles, which means both jews and gentiles needed to be reconciled by His Death of the Cross which is what Rom 5:10 means by we being reconciled by His Death. So you are in error !

 

[beloved57]

Be ye reconciled to God !

2 Cor 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Those who are bidden here in this verse " be ye reconciled to God", are the Spiritually born who were previously already reconciled to God by His Son's Death while they were enemies Rom 5:10, but they are now in the Spirit, because if they were not already, they would be yet still in the flesh and with a carnal mind and at enmity with God Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Until one is born again of the Spirit, and now have new life, they do but only abide in death by nature 1 Jn 3:14

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Also when in a unregenerate state, we as men abide in darkness and are darkness Jn 12:46

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Eph 5:8

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

And while we are darkness, we cannot comprehend the Light Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

comprehend[katalambanó] here means :

a) I seize tight hold of, arrest, catch, capture, appropriate, (b) I overtake, (c) mid. aor: I perceived, comprehended.

The darkness, which we all are by nature, does not appropriate the Light, does not capture it, cannot receive it,

Cannot receive the Light of the Truth or the Gospel.

And God will not call darkness to Himself, nor welcome it to Himself for Fellowship, darkness is never reconciled to God, not even possible it should be. It is not possible to walk in unregenerate darkness and yet have Fellowship with God 1 Jn 1:6

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

So we must discard any notion that the Imperative in 2 Cor 5:20 "Be ye reconciled to God " is an call or appeal to the unregenerate. Light does not call darkness, and God is Light 1 Jn 1:5

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Light does not call darkness into Fellowship, but seeks Fellowship with Light !

 

[beloved57]

More on the Reconciliation of Christ's death !

More on the Reconciliation of Christ's death !

More on the Reconciliation that Christ's Death accomplished for all whom He died. First of all, Christ's death did reconcile sinful sinners to Himself, not that He did not Love them and needed to be reconciled in that regard, but in that their sins forbade Him to be in personal fellowship and communion with them. It is an alienation of His Life of Fellowship like the prodigal son experienced with his Father Lk 15:12-13

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

What the wayward son lost was fellowship with his Father but not His Father's Heart of Love .

But not only that, its strictly by the reconciliation in Christ's death, that those He died for, that God reconciles them [subjectively] to Himself, in other words it deals with the sinners personal alienation from God in his own mind, the issue being in the sinner and not in God. The enmity is in the sinners mind against God, not in God's Mind towards the sinner, as stated here Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

That word reconcile in Vs 21 is the word apokatallassō and means:

to reconcile completely

to reconcile back again

bring back a former state of harmony

Notice again who Paul states that was alienated and enemies in their minds in Vs 21, not God, but You writes Paul.

But Christ's Death and it alone effects the change of mind in the sinner, in the sinner Christ died for. Yes, Christ's death is responsible for the reconciling of sinners in their minds back to God. In other words, when the prodigal son experienced a change of mind as here Lk 15:17-20

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

What all this pictures is the effects of the Death of Christ bringing back an wayward sinner back to God, for he no longer has any enmity and hostility in his mind towards his Father and returns, and his doing that is to be credited to the praise of the Death of Christ, its effects, and nothing else; for that was one of the Great and Splendid purposes of His Death, as Peter says here 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that[purpose] he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Which He did succeed in doing. In other words, Christ's death is 100 % responsible for any sinner's true conversion to God in Faith and Repentance, and no man Preaches the Word of reconciliation aright as Per 2 Cor 5:19-20 without understanding that ! For the word of reconciliation is preached to produce, bring to light the blessed effects of the reconciling death of Christ !

 

[beloved57]

Reconciliation is Salvation ! 3

Reconciliation is Salvation ! 3

We know that the scripture teaches that Reconciliation is Salvation when we consider its use in its contrast with national israel rejection and the reconciling of the Gentiles / World here Rom 11:15

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

And Paul makes the same exact contrast earlier in Vs 11 Rom 11:11

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Through their fall, corresponding to their being cast away in Vs 15

Salvation is come to the Gentiles , corresponding to Reconciliation in Vs 15

Salvation is also the Riches that come upon the Gentiles Vs 12 Rom 11:12

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Its the riches of His Grace upon them as Per Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Eph 2:7

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Eph 3:8

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

 

[beloved57]

Shall be saved by His/ their Life !cont 4

Shall be saved by His/ their Life !cont 4

Shall be saved by His Life ! Who shall be saved by His Life ? All those who were by His Death reconciled to God while they were enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The words much more denotes , now even better , being reconciled, we shall be saved His Life ! One of the things this means is this, all for whom Christ died, and now has been raised again for their Justification [Rom 4:25], after for them having satisfied God's Law and Justice, He now lives to make evident the success of His Redeeming Death, to apply the benefits of His Vicarious Obedience to all for whom He died and reconciled to God, which is the Church that He Loved Eph 5:25, or His Sheep Jn 10, or God's Elect Rom 8, by the efficacious Grace of His Spirit !

 

[beloved57]

Reconciliation is Justification for the simple fact its acceptance, reception, approval with God ! Its the greek word katallassō:

I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)

B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one

C.
to receive one into favour

In God's Favor they are in a state of being approved !

We are approved of God by Christ's Death Rom 5:10. Remember what God said to cain here Gen 4:7

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

God is telling him , if thou do what ir right,do thoroughly and thou wilt be approved, received into favor, lifted up !

Now God told him that knowing that none doeth well or right ! Ps 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Ecclesiastes 7:20

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Rom 3:12

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

However God's People, the Seed of the Women, are accepted with Him by the Seed of the Women Rev 12 doing well, and so we are reconciled [received into favor] by the Death of His Son + nothing ! which pleased Him for us, Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

God told cain that if he did well he would be received/accepted, but the Holy Seed, its if Christ doeth well that we should be accepted, See the difference ? Those who base their acceptance with God by them doing well, that's the way of cain Jude 1:11

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Seeking acceptance with God in themselves doing well ! And Acceptance with God is Our Justification !

 

[God's Truth]

Beloved57,

You should be reported and given infractions for posting this way. You are spamming the threads. You do not care about discussing the scriptures. No one is even reading about your false ideas.

 

[ttruscott]

Rom 5:10

...when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son...

Does this apply to you and me? Were we HIS enemies at His death before we were supposedly even created... This would imply that our enmity with HIM was before our creation so either HE created us as evil by HIS eternal plan as B57 contends

OR

we were created as innocents pre-earth and in sheol we made our true free will decisions to reject all or part of HIS purpose for us and self created ourselves as HIS enemies needing reconciliation by the death of HIS Son.

Peace, Ted

 

[Nanja]

Beloved57

However God's People, the Seed of the Women, are accepted with Him by the Seed of the Women Rev 12 doing well, and so we are reconciled [received into favor] by the Death of His Son + nothing ! which pleased Him for us, Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Absolutely! It was God's purpose to punish Christ for the sins of all those He had chosen to eternal life before the foundation of the world. That's what it means to be reconciled to God. No other way! Christ was their Redeemer before He ever was the Creator. (Rev. 13:8; 2 Tim. 1:9; 2 Thes. 2:13)

Knowing that the Bible teaches these truths, how is it that anyone can imagine that they can satisfactorily please God based solely on trusting in their own good works of accepting Christ, repenting, obeying His commandments...?

But once we know we have been accepted by God through the death of Christ, revealed by the gift of faith given to us in the new birth (Eph. 2:8), then our good works please God!

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. (Who can come to God? John 6:44)

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[beloved57]

Beloved57,

You should be reported and given infractions for posting this way. You are spamming the threads. You do not care about discussing the scriptures. No one is even reading about your false ideas.

Why did you evade the Truth ? You hate it !

 

[beloved57]

Beloved57




Absolutely! It was God's purpose to punish Christ for the sins of all those He had chosen to eternal life before the foundation of the world. That's what it means to be reconciled to God. No other way! Christ was their Redeemer before He ever was the Creator. (Rev. 13:8; 2 Tim. 1:9; 2 Thes. 2:13)

Knowing that the Bible teaches these truths, how is it that anyone can imagine that they can satisfactorily please God based solely on trusting in their own good works of accepting Christ, repenting, obeying His commandments...?

But once we know we have been accepted by God through the death of Christ, revealed by the gift of faith given to us in the new birth (Eph. 2:8), then our good works please God!

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. (Who can come to God? John 6:44)

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You made some good points !