Search results

We assume that what they ate was the commanded lamb, but there's little in the gospel accounts that talks of any lamb at the last supper. Jesus focused on the bread, and didn't mention the lamb. That seems strange to me, since we are all sure that Jesus was clearly fore-typed by the passover lamb.

That's not what James was saying. He was saying you can't show faith without works. The kind that doesn't produce works is the kind that does not save. Notice that production follows salvation, even for James. But you and others are saying that James was saying that about Paul's followers...

But at least he's admitting that their gospel was a false one, which is assured if they are false brethren preaching a gospel different from Paul's.

Then why would Paul tell Titus: Titus 2:14 KJV — Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. And follow it up with: Titus 2:15 KJV — These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no...

True, that's all we need to show that a faith that does not produce works cannot save anyone, just as Abraham didn't just believe, but he acted on his belief.

take your pick: James 2:14 YLT — What is the profit, my brethren, if faith, any one may speak of having, and works he may not have? is that faith able to save him? James 2:14 NASB95 — What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? James...

No, it isn’t. KJV and NKJV omit the article which can be translated “that” or “such”, as other versions do.

Then you must be in the wrong thread. (Welcome back PureX.)

Agreed. But then there must have been a severe mixing of the kingdom gospelites with Pauline gospelites, which was already endorsed by Peter when he was eating with Gentiles (not proselytes). Galatians 2:13-14 (KJV) 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also...

Yes, and his sister Patty deFoy!

Yes. Yes. John talks about a “preparation day”. That seems to be Passover day, and the next is a high sabbath (happens on any day of the week). Yes, I think it accelerates the calendar by 1 day. Some people think 2 days, but counting from 10 Nisan to 14 Nisan only allows for the killing to...

Not the kind that is dead (doesn't produce works). Paul seems to say the same, Romans 6:4 KJV — Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Only true if Jesus was NOT killed at the same time as the passover lambs. And I think 15 Nisan was the first day of Unleavened Bread (the day they left, which was after the passover had been killed). Unleavened Bread starts and ends with a high sabbath. So for the priests and religious leaders...

Different because Gentiles were being welcomed into the body, something no one had thought would happen. But not because Jesus didn't know or command it, but because it was so foreign to the Jews' thought/upbringing that it remained a mystery and had to be revealed to Paul and Peter and James...

No, he's saying they are justified by faith, which produces works. Read it again. And don't forget this part: James 2:26 KJV — For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. If there is no spirit, the body ceases to function. There's no point in a spiritless...

Yes, Paul was consistent with Jesus and the 12. But in being consistent, he reneged on his agreement to leave the Jews to the 12, if that's the way you read it. If it's the Jews that were left for the 12, while Paul went to Gentiles, then Paul reneged. But if it was the gentile nations, then it...

No, I don't see the problem. James was saying that faith produces works, so in that sense, Abraham was justified by works. But the sense is that he was justified by faith, which is always and only shown by works. Paul never suggested that we are justified by a kind of faith that doesn't produce...

James is not saying the Jews are justified by the works of the law--Abraham didn't have the law. He's saying that if your faith doesn't produce works, it is powerless to save. Real faith produces real works. Works can't produce faith, but faith will always produce works, or it isn't real faith.

You're judging the command by the obedience (or lack thereof). It should be the other way around.

In terms of the high sabbath, it could still work for the passover to be on a Saturday (Friday evening). Christ's death would occur in the afternoon (the "evening" seems to mean while the sun is going down...from its apex that day). But there are other things in play. The requirements for the...