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I play Devils advocate because I have doubts about the heliocentric model. I've said all along that there are good arguments and evidence for both model's and I have not been able to reconcile these differences. I hope you're not beyond understanding that this is a "genuine dilemma" for many...

This thread, and any other debate, is not about asserting one position over an other. It's also about refuting the other position. I have stated many times that there are good arguments and evidence for the heliocentric model. But there are also good arguments and evidence for flat motionless...

The moon, sun, and stars have no trees, no water, no life, no atmosphere to support life, etc. Why do you think the earth would be the same? The sun, moon, and stars appear to move over us. We see and experience a motionless flat earth. In the heliocentric model our experience and perceptions...

What really bothers me I have argued with many here for a number years for open theism and free will which I call Dynamic Free Theism. I have argued with many here for creationism and against evolution. I stared studying cosmology to push back on Einsteins spacetime block universe, multiverse...

There are a number of videos that deal with this. I presented them and you all dismissed them with out viewing them. Now deal with my objections about the globe and rivers if you can. If you're done then that means you can't deal with my arguments. And don't tell me you have because you...

This is truth concerning the globe earth From every point we stand on the globe the ground beneath our feet drops away and downward from us at 8 inches per mile squared in every direction as this chart shows. From the mouth of the Amazon rive the river must travel up to it from the origin or...

A presentation of both side is exactly what I intended in the first place. People can be wrong about many things and right about many other things. Shame on all of you who call any one presenting a counter view a lunatic. Call him wrong and destroy his arguments. Thank you for doing your best...

Who was Newton? Who was Darwin? Who was Einstein? Can they not be questioned? I'm sure these men discovered many things that are true. But does that mean everything? In theology and philosophy we question everything and every body. It seems physics is holy ground. --Dave

I've seen this at least twice. This video is good evidence for the spinning globe. I have said in the past that there exists "good evidence" for both spinning globe and "flat motionless earth". I've also said that the evidence for globe comes from looking into space not looking at the earth...

Two cars 100 miles apart only have to travel 50 miles each in order to meet in the middle of the 100 mile distance. Correct? --Dave

Clearly you can't answer my argument. --Dave

Two cars 100 miles apart will meet at the center of 100 miles which is 50 miles if they travel at the same speed. If each car is moving at 100 mph they will both meet at the center 50 miles away in 30 min. --Dave

As I said, if the earth is a globe, the Amazon flows upward if you're standing at the mouth of it as it enters the Atlantic Ocean. We know this would be the case because where ever we are standing on a globe the ground beneath our feet gradually drops away from us downward at 8 inches per mile...

Ancient Flat Earth "The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of Earth's shape as a plane or disk. Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic...

You're not addressing my argument. Rivers flow only downward from a higher to a lower elevation. This can only be done on a flat earth for rivers as long as the Amazon. On a globe the Amazon must flow upward to a higher elevation since from the mouth of the river all directions are downward...

A flat motionless earth is clear from earth through experience and the flow of rivers. On any point on a globe earth the earth drops away in all directions. This means that the longest rivers in the world, Amazon, Nile, and Mississippi flow both up and down depending on where you are, more...

Evidence of a flat earth from the flow of rivers I have been arguing that we do not experience a spinning earth and that relativity is irrational. Now I want to argue we do not have a globe earth using the geography of rivers. All rivers flow from a higher elevation downward to a lower...

I think you need to admit the error of your argument. My right is your left when facing each other means your example is clearing wrong. --Dave

So we can define things as immovable even when they are not??? Another example of the irrationality of relativity. Relativity is a never ending irrational infinite regress theory. --Dave

The claim that the earth is not moving is called "empirical evidence". empirical based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic. Relativity is a denial of our senses and experience. --Dave