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A spinning earth travels around the sun is basic heliocentrism as opposed to the sun travels around the earth, be it motionless globe or motionless flat earth. I understand all the cosmological models. --Dave

I said "if" you take the Bible "literally" on the matter it's flat earth. I said "if" the earth is indeed flat then it's Satan who is behind the conspiracy to make us reject this "literal" interpretation. When arguing on behalf of a view you make your case as they would do with no "ifs" about...

I posted this video so that all of you will see what's happening and know why flat earth is a growing movement. Mark Sargent makes valid points in this video. I'm researching FE and watching it along with trying to comprehend all that has made heliocentrism our belief today. --Dave

I've written down all claims the of those who believe the earth is flat. I'm not the author and originator of any of it. Some arguments are good, some not so good. I started studying cosmology 5 years ago as the last of my personal concerns after theology and evolution. I started with modern...

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I lookup into the sky and see stellar parallax every night all over the place. --Dave

And we can't doubt those infallible unbiased astronomers. Right? We must accept whatever they see and however they interpret it. They have never been wrong and never will be. Let us give praise and worship the almighty astronomers. :the_wave: --Dave

The scale ploy cuts both ways. It makes your point but also nullifies empirical evidence for you argument. All this movement in the universe takes place on paper with calculations but cannot be visually verified. --Dave

Believing in God or saying I'm a Christian is not the same thing as taking the Bible literally. The Bible is flat motionless earth with sun, moon, and stars moving over it. The sun stood still for Joshua, the earth did not stop spinning. The writers of this account could have known the...

You can look for it as well as me. I can't pin point it anymore than anyone else can. Perhaps more in the Part I than in Part II of the thread if I remember correctly. --Dave

If you believe there is a God then you will more easily believe there is a Fallen Angel bent on revenge and planning to make himself the ruler of a one world government that he controls. But if you don't believe there is a God then you will probably believe a higher order of species from...

"If" everything in your math is correct it's accurate but it's not consistent with the big picture. Another Year, Another 20 Billion Kilometers Through The Universe "We live on a spinning and orbiting world, but we don't usually think about our other, greater motions through the cosmos—maybe we...

I've never been confused about how logic and facts work. 1. Both flat earth and globe are founded on a presupposition. 2. Globe earth originally presupposed the shape of the earth is like all other heavenly bodies, a sphere. 3. Flat earth has always presupposed the shape of the earth is as we...

It was already addressed some time ago along with Antarctica. --Dave

I've provided plenty of supporting evidence for FE. Secret societies have existed through out history who conspire to control the world through false world views. --Dave

I said why. --Dave

Calling me mentally ill, along with calling me a sinner, is going to far. I'm going to have taken of my thread if you do it again. --Dave

Since there's a generational conspiracy to indoctrinate the world into believing in evolution a generational conspiracy to indoctrinate the world into believing in a heliocentric universe would not be impossible. --Dave

"To make one complete rotation in 24 hours, a point near the equator of the Earth must move at close to 1000 miles per hour." "The Moon orbits Earth at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour". The movement of the moon around the earth is faster than the speed of the earth's rotation. With the stars...

Stellar parallax has nothing to do with the moon and my point. --Dave