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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    I agree ... I'd rather rely on what the Lord teaches me. But many believers like to see there is support for points of view. I agree. I understand poetry has lots of figurative language in it, but who ever said that literal truth can't be determined from it. The whole bible uses figurative...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    We obviously disagree here. I will not get in a debate or argue. I do believe the Spiritual God mentioned / described in Genesis 1 is in all and all things are in him. If God was with me telling me I would be in a car accident then he is with me at all times... bed room,auto, shopping, working...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    My reply: I base his omnipresence on these things: 1. Theologians much smarter than me have said he is. 2. References in scripture. One search I just did said that there are100s of passages which speak of the ways he is all and in all. One author suggested his top ten: My favorites among them...
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    Jesus is God !

    Remember, what I will write will be what I believe is the correct interpretation regarding symbolism we can find used through out the Bible. I will start with this concept: Gen. 2 The LORD formed man a body out of the ground [the elements from which the world was made]. Yet, before he started...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    My thoughts: If God is omni-present, then if there is a created place by definition he is there! I also believe God did not create things out of nothing. That statement doesn't even make sense if we say he is omni-present. God created all things within his infinite self. He called forth...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    Wow, what a thorough response. I will try to give my take on things as briefly as possible. Remember I am not here to debate but merely to share how I see things. You are welcome to disagree. Derf wondered: The bible says "He" was buried, not "His body" was buried. 1. My reply: Well, who was...
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    Jesus is God !

    Hello Clete, Thank you for speaking to me. I get some of my thoughts from this statement, which Jesus made to a man who wanted to be his disciple, "Let the dead bury their dead." My original question: Weren't the living burying the dead? Explanation: There is a spiritual death as well as a...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    NEW REPLY BEGINS HERE: Seems we agree and disagree. Pretty typical of Bible discussions. First about In Gen 3:14-19..”And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    LOL, I always say A LOT! Hard to know where to start with a question. Sorry. Let's see if I can do better. I will do my best to explain another point which may clear up how I look at life and death and spirit body and soul. I'm a little out of the box; so, I hope you will understand my ideas...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    Well, first of all, God experienced pain and suffering when he, being the only true God, came as the Savior [Isaiah 43:11] through his being crucified on the cross as his own begotten Son. Second, I'm not sure the risen Lord, who was quickened by the Spirit of God, would have suffered where...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    There are two deaths for humanity. Sadly while lost souls are in hell/Haydes they live and must suffer until the second death. Just like the Saints must ask: "How long do we have to wait ..." So are lost souls waiting. But the second death is another matter.
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    I'm just not convinced that human life and soul/body will exist after being tossed in the LOF. I've heard a lot of explanations but I base my theories on a few things I've learned. 1.) God gives life to humanity in measures. First God added a MIST of water to the ground before THE LORD form a...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    Hello. I believe scripture. There are verses used to talk about eternal suffering which I think are misread: Rev. 14:10-11. These are talking about humans who took the mark of the beast. It does not say they are thrown into the Lake of Fire. The LOF comes after the 1,000 year reign of Christ on...
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    Hello SaulToPaul2. I think you may be the same person who wrote years ago. I'm not sure about...

    Hello SaulToPaul2. I think you may be the same person who wrote years ago. I'm not sure about the #2. Guess you may not remember me from 2006 ... I once posted often. Thought I would check out TOL. Glad to see that it is still here.
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    Sorry. I did think I was on topic ... considering posters were talking about the resurrection and the state to which people would be raised. Several referred to the end times. People will be raised to either eternal life or to go to the Lake of fire along with the beast, false prophet, and...
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    Hello again 7djengo7. You have noted good verses and have good questions. Let me see if I can give one succinct answer to all. Men can die two deaths. I'm not saying all men die two deaths for Christ has given his followers the Spirit which holds them until eternally here after life. We...
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    Just let me explain how I see Ps82 and I'll bet you never see it the same again. Read it like a play with scenes with dialogue between characters. I will paraphrase but you go back and compare. Scene 1 has God seated standing among the mighty judging among the gods. There is a particular...
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    I have not been on TOL for years. I have not kept up with this thread. I don't plan to pick up on any previous conversations between individuals. I plan to write my ideas. Something new that will build to the topic of Resurrection to Life or Judgement. I always have to start with 'in the...
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    Jesus is God !

    Today I am thrilled that two posters have "liked" my ideas about Jesus being God. Years ago when I wrote on TOL most people wanted to pick my thoughts apart and disagree.
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    Well, I'll have to admit you have me confused. Derf. You seem to have me Ps82 confused with Keiw1. ??? So sorry. Have a nice evening.
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