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  1. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Huge difference between 'all things' with man and 'all things' with God. In your former, it is definitely implied "all things pertinent to this topic." I don't believe you can readily apply the same to God knowing all things. There is no context implied. Grammar ftw?
  2. Lon

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    It depends on one's reading level, but reading scripture does cause sound reasoning. 2 Timothy 3:16 Isaiah 55:11. That said: Proverbs 4:7 in agreement.
  3. Lon

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    No, not rambling at all. I appreciate your story. Another reason I ask is because it helps see where another is coming from, what motivations there are behind thoughts. Regardless of the stark differences between our theologies on one front, I do appreciate Mid-Acts teaching and...
  4. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Suggesting that Peter was given to exaggeration? 🤔 Anticipating this, I gave two other scriptures. If the Bible teaches "knows all things" and even in Open Theism: "Knows all things possible" it concedes these scriptures else even Open Theism would have absolutely no ground for "knows...
  5. Lon

    The Problem With Prayer

    Using the cancer analogy: I don't believe anybody is praying that God will take somebody with Cancer. In general, having the heart of God, I'd reckon those prayers are very much unified and in accord. T God is sovereign, always makes the best choices. Romans 8:28
  6. Lon

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    My question stemmed from this and other articles. My first encounter with Open Theists was largely from the Charismatic churches. Later, when involved with Southern Baptists, Open Theism came up under council scrutiny. It seems there is a good number who came from Reformed circles (Derf...
  7. Lon

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    You've moved me on a couple of points. It is my objective in debate, not to 'change' but to plant and water because God gives increase. In order to move from my entrenched position, God has to challenge me through scripture. It has to be there where anybody will change so I urge 1)...
  8. Lon

    The Problem With Prayer

    Lamentations 3:37 Have to believe it. It is scripture. a) God's will is decretive and prescriptive, which do you mean? b) Changed? In His prescriptive will, we see Moses stepping in as mediator. Is this 'against' God's will? No of course not since He placed Moses in the first place...
  9. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    John 21:17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. Psalm 147:5 1 John 3:20 o_O!
  10. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    :nono: If you are told to 'be' perfect as your Heavenly Father, it intimates a standard (see below). Genesis 17:1; Matthew 5:48 Incorrect: From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity (standard), truth (standard): - without blemish, complete, full...
  11. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Things are 'new' to us because we do not know everything. When God does a 'new' thing, in Isaiah, is it 'new' for Him or 'new' for us? Conveyance and context suggest 'to us' only, right? God already truly knew He was going to redeem mankind through His Son. Importance: We are trying...
  12. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    One was my professor o_O Clete, quit knee-jerk reacting like a little kid. This is just immature coming from you and a manipulation. I expect a LOT better. You have a brain. I like it, use it. If I have irritants, you certainly do too. I appreciate when you meet me halfway between...
  13. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    On the idea of 'new': Is something 'new' if it is made of Legos? Are Legos always precursor to 'original.' See the definition of 'new' just above. In what sense is anything 'new?' as in 'never existed before.' Anything Lego 'new' isn't exactly 'new' as in 'never been in existence...
  14. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    "New" needs definition. Solomon said 'nothing new.' Is his comment to be taken as all encompassing? It stimulates the mind to regard what is 'new.' Isaiah 43:19 https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2319.htm If Solomon is right, then how could God do something 'new' Isaiah 43:19. New...
  15. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Proverbs 16:9 Me too
  16. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Define 'new'? (I think the culprit over difference here) "In and for" Him. Think about that. What is a car if not 'for Him'? What do we mean and why is 'new' used in discussion between Openists and the rest of us? If there really is 'nothing new under the sun' (and I believe the...
  17. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    "Panentheism" Its Biblical so of course extreme. SHOULD be convincing. To quote one of TOL Open Theist favorite lines: Saying it doesn't make it so: No. It. Is. Not. Biblical means 'founded on a Biblical given.' Read, be informed, and tell me what you disagree with...
  18. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Or any bridge for that matter? Legos, simplistically, all pre-exist for anything anything anything you'd create with them. It is about exponentials here. God created building blocks (Legos) called atoms. Okay, you have me entertained for a moment. Name any one thing you'd 'create' with...
  19. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Yet what does scripture say? Jeremiah 32:17 1) Nothing new under the sun (scripture) and 2) Colossians 1:16 3) 1 Corinthians 4:7 - Point/counter-point to all of discussion between Openists and the rest of theology: Does God meet us where we are, with us staying where we are...
  20. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    A privation is the 'lack' thereof. It is not an invention, but a warping of what already exists. Sin then, in all nuances, is the lack of Godliness, not an entity that exists alongside God for all eternity. Am I following your logic: It seems you are saying if God makes knives (as an...
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