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There's a difference. I'm using scripture, rightly or wrongly, to support my assertion. You're rejecting what scripture says to support yours.

In other words, your words are more to be trusted than God's words. Why bother quoting scripture at all, then. Just write your own bible.

Well, it can be, but only through the shedding of blood (loss of life). Once the sinner has lost his life, his sins are expunged/paid for--the wages of sin is death.

Which I've shown doesn't mean what you say it means. Repeating the same assertion's after they've been discredited means you've run out of material, and you're no closer to convincing anyone of your view. Go back and review the answers you've received and see if you need to revise your position...

Remember that God commonly destroyed whole cities and even the whole world including children. He put His own people in bondage to the Egyptians, and purposely hardened Pharaoh's heart, knowing the work would get harder for them. So His love must be understood according to what He has done and...

The thread is new, and not overly long. You should read it before hijacking it. Maybe start your own thread.

Right, but you've ignored my post that says "destroyed" doesn't always mean "utterly destroyed". And "perish" sometimes means merely "die". Until you deal with that, the rest of your point is moot.

Yes, I agree. But they do know something in their 2nd death. They know suffering/torment. That's my point--that the 2nd death is not like the first one. That's why it had to be defined as the lake of fire.

Of course! That's why they need to be resurrected first. But that kind of death where the dead know nothing is no longer available after it is thrown in the lake of fire. Only the 2nd death is, which is the lake of fire.

Except now we have the immovable rock being hit by the unstoppable force. Their bodies are new and improved. They are incorruptible. If incorruptible, then the fires of hell can't annihilate them, but they still feel the pain.

Of course! Because those who take the threat seriously don't want it to happen to them. So they, through threat of eternal punishment, are eager to avoid such. You should, too, Brain. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.

Here are some bible verses that show the opposite--that destruction doesn't mean utter destruction. Exodus 10:7 KJV — And Pharaoh's servants said unto him, How long shall this man be a snare unto us? let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God: knowest thou not yet that Egypt is...

It could possibly be talking about different places. Or, the darkness might be symbolic of not having the Father and Jesus around, since they are the light of the New Jerusalem. Or it might be showing that the parable wasn't supposed to be describing things exactly as they will be in the lake...

I'm not questioning God or His words. But He didn't set before all life and death in that passage, but before the Israelites who were about to enter Canaan by passing over the Jordan: [Deu 30:18-19 KJV] 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong...

Sounds like the right enigma to present to those pushing the trans agenda. "Your job is to help the human race survive, and you have to pick two people to carry on the species in the ark."

You're just not convincing. By your statement, you admit that eternal suffering is biblical, and the reason you give for it being not literal is that you don't like it. But if God resurrects everyone to an eternally incorruptible body, what is He to do with the ones who refuse to obey Him? I...

But death is thrown into the lake of fire prior to the penalty of those that were misled. So death (the 1st kind, where they would return to dust) is impossible, because it is entirely defeated. This seems to me to be where most Christians go wrong, because they think of man as immortal, at...

The resurrected are made of incorruptible stuff, that can't die. 1 Corinthians 15:42 KJV — So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15:44 KJV — It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body... 1 Corinthians...

Why is two chances enough? Why not 3? But that's not what the scripture says. It says they are judged for 2nd death, not for the 1st. And a 2nd death, which is a different kind of thing than the 1st, requires a different kind of sin than the 1st, don't you think? For sinners? I thought you...

Because the phrase "little flock" isn't used in Rev 14:3. You might be right, but you don't have enough evidence to say the 144,000, mentioned first in Revelation, is the same group that was alive when Jesus was speaking on the earth, especially since all of that group Jesus spoke to died...