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Are you saying we are made in the image of the image of God? And Jesus took on the image of the image of the image of God? 😉

[Jer 18:4-10 KJV] 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make [it]. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD...

Hi Lon. Good to hear from you. Can you explain what you mean by exacerbating theology? Do you mean "third"? If it's "okay in a sense", does that mean "ok to apply to God"? That's all I'm saying. But it has to apply in as infinite a way as God is infinite, don't you think? I don't think God is...

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That works, then, with the "first fruits" verse, as long as He was resurrected first. But your quoted verse about first fruits doesn't seem to allow for a permanent resurrection: From what I'm reading from you, ALL righteous dead from OT times would have been resurrected (graves were opened and...

So if they were bodiless spirits, they stopped being bodiless in the Matthew passage, at what time, before or after Christ's resurrection?

The city of refuge image is important, and definitely related to Christ's death. I just don't know if it can be applied to that particular timeframe in that particular way. When do you think Christ led the bodiless spirits to heaven?

Yes, I agree (y)

Do we need another use? David's use shows that a small enclosed chamber counts as "lower parts of the earth, which makes a tomb a valid comparison. But Jonah is another.

I appreciate your bringing Nicodemus into the conversation, as that was on my mind from my previous post. I am of the opinion that when Nicodemus was questioning whether a man could enter his mother's womb a second time and be born, Jesus replied, "Essentially, yes." And He was using the...

My mother's womb. Psalm 139:15 (YLT) My substance was not hid from Thee, When I was made in secret, Curiously wrought in the lower part of earth.

"We" only included people who were alive when Paul wrote that. Since then, "we" has expanded to more people who have lived, but it obviously doesn't include people who don't exist yet.

It does matter. Galatians 1:8-9 (KJV) 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let...

The verses also talk about being Abraham's seed, which most of us are not before we are born.

Romans 4:16 (KJV) Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Galatians 3:29 (KJV) And if ye [be] Christ's...

As long as that seed exercises faith, which then opens the door of salvation to all who exercise faith.

"Elect sinners"? God elected people for the purpose of sinning? I've never heard a Calvinist be that honest about his doctrine before. Well done! Now are you ready to reject it because you've made God out to be desiring people to sin?

Before the world began makes sense. "Before time" means "the time prior to when there was time" which you might recognize as incomprehensible.

"Before time"? What does that mean?