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I'd like to talk about the targets of the non-Pauline epistles, but I think I'll start a new thread someday soon.

I'm not seeing how your quote in any way is different from what I wrote. The redemption of the body is the resurrection, and we groan for it to happen. We hope for it. We wait for it patiently.

Have you ever looked for how many times Paul used the word "hope". His message was almost entirely about the hope of salvation, and what we should be doing in the meantime. That didn't mean they weren't currently saved, but that their salvation was to be manifested at a future time--at the...

Paul--future: 1 Thessalonians 5:8 (KJV) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Peter--present: Acts 11:14 (KJV) Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. Careful with that...

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And Peter described the same thing. Acts 15:9 (KJV) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Acts 15:11 (KJV) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Paul always went to the Jews first. Surely he could write to them if he wanted to. And letters are rarely written to people that don't exist. Maybe Hebrews will apply to tribulation Jews, but it must have also applied to the Jews who received it. And here's what Peter had to say about it...

How dare you say such a thing about Right Divider!

But he never used that term in his epistles.

Yes, but it's still a hope. We can be assured of the promise being fulfilled, but it hasn't been yet. What promise is it Paul is mostly speaking of? Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV) 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better...

The PROMISE of life.

But from our vantage point, the one that perseveres to the end is the one that is saved--not saved by the perseverance, but evidenced by it.

https://credohouse.org/blog/billy-graham-and-charles-templeton-the-sad-tale-of-two-evangelists

You weren't asking me, but that rarely stops me from jumping in. I think the verse is talking about God's ability to save, not man's ability to be saved. And I think salvation is primarily focused on the resurrection. Thus, Paul is talking about committing something to God--his future state...

And Paul speaks against it. 1 Corinthians 14:4 (KJV) He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

I was saying it from your post.

If Jesus knew who would betray him, it seems to mean he knew THAT he would be betrayed. And if he knew wrongly WHO it was, even so far back, the scriptures don't seem to be accurate. But I'm willing to admit of a contingent betrayal, with a fixed crucifixion. A contingent betrayal suggests...

I don't see how Peter is saying anything different than Paul. They both are saying there's a difference between gentiles and the church.

That's not the kind of gentiles one expects to find in the church. 1 Peter 4:3 (KJV) For the time past of [our] life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

Then you admit Paul talks in terms of a future reality as if it were already here?