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Technically, you can’t defrock a nudist.

I think you took this the wrong way, GD. Clete was showing his respect, kind of like a 2-year-old looking up to his older sister.

Don't forget they had some 24 hours, supposedly, to die after eating the fruit. God came to them in the evening, normally, and they had eaten it in the day-time, presumably. So if God made them some leather clothes and kicked them out of the garden by some time within that 24 hours, then it...

We've moved on, Clete.

Hmmm. I thought souls were immortal.

I will move on with an assumption of your answer, based on your one, rather ambiguous, post, and your many, rather childish, posts complaining about having to clarify. I understand if you feel like you've been caught in a trap, but I would prefer that you have an honest conversation with me--and...

But I will deal with your points, in reverse order. The first is God putting someone to death after He gives them life--only to give them life later on. Why is this a problem? Isn't that what He promised to Adam? And here's scriptural support: [Deu 32:39 KJV] 39 See now that I, [even] I, [am]...

As opposed to setting up strawmen and knocking them down?

You answered it. Why not Clete?

To my conversation with Clete? How is your question pertinent?

It’s not random, and yes, it does. It obviously does to @Clete, since he so obviously wants to avoid talking about it. I’m don’t understand why he’s so afraid to answer the question.

Can you at least confirm when I restate your answer? @Clete agrees that "day" in Gen 2:4 means a time period more than 24 hours. You are welcome to acknowledge or call me a liar.

And does that mean @Clete believes that the day in Gen 2:4 is more than 24 hours? He is so resistant to answer the question, even though now 2 other people have answered the question for him, I have no confidence that he has actually answered the question.

This is well stated, JR. I haven't found much to show internal inconsistency. The best I've found is what I pointed out about what Satan said: "You won't surely die." Satan is subtle, and he mixes truth with lies. If the person never really dies (immortality of the soul is one phrase...

I suppose the Trinity is a presupposition for some, but I’ve tried to debunk it, and I can’t. There is a spiritual body of some sort: 1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And there are...

You don't answer my question for my sake?

I already did that. I posted what I thought was his answer, and something that contradicted it. So it needed clarification, which I asked for, here (note that I included the post where I thought he almost, sort of answered it)...

I hated that movie, every time my kids watched it!

Jesus is a person, a human one, at that. He went to heaven. While much of the promise of the afterlife is talking about living on the new earth, I don't see anywhere in scripture that no human ever goes to heaven--and I've looked.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say! The death hasn't happened yet, but it is assured. I]m glad we've come to agreement on this!