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You’re right that the second death is the lake of fire, but it’s a second physical death, as people that experience it are first resurrected. John 5:29 (NKJV) “and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Notice how you have to keep putting “spiritual” before death for it to make sense? Why is that? Salvation results in eternal life, at least part of it does. But that’s because we are resurrected from the first death, and protected from the second. Revelation 2:11 (NKJV) “He who has an ear...

But to what end? Life after death.

Faith in what? It wasn’t faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus, but in a future, somewhat muddy, belief in their own resurrection by God’s promise way back in Gen 3:15 and the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and through the symbols in Moses’ writings.

Did you read my post? How about the follow up? Here it is for your reading pleasure. https://theologyonline.com/threads/the-spiritually-dead.57075/post-1817856

That’s the predominant thought, at least in the evangelical world today. But I’m offering a different option. Much of the things Paul talked about with regard to our salvation were hopes of something happening in the future. We can be assured, for instance, that we will be resurrected and...

Notice the brackets?

“Spiritually dead” is one of those phrases that aren’t in the Bible. So it’s a concept that might or might not be in the Bible. I would suggest that it is not, but was invented to make sense of the result of Adam’s sin, when he didn’t die immediately. There are better ways to make sense of...

Like yours?:p

How was your experience?

You’re right. My covid experience was nowhere near as bad as the flu.

I appreciate the clarification, but my question stands. You’re basing your speculation about Jesus’ miracles here on earth on a speculation about heaven, which we have no info about in terms of its “natural” laws. It’s fine as a speculation—and I encourage people to speculate on the things we...

You said he uses heavenly laws to do miracles on earth. Can he not do miracles in heaven, which might be termed super supernatural, if he made the heavens? In other words, if he acts outside the laws of the environment he created, either heaven or earth, that’s miraculous.

I expect there are laws in heaven, but if Jesus made heaven and earth, why would He be any more restrained by the heavenly laws than by the earthly laws?

I think the abortion movement works the same. They feel guilty for falling into the trap, so they try to get more people to fall into the same trap, kill more babies, so they can feel like their choice, if not morally good, at least on average is morally no worse than anyone else.

In other words, "I feel so stupid buying into the hype of the vaccine, and to feel better about myself, I want other people to do the same stupid thing."

You’re making assumptions.

For some reason the word "knucklehead" comes to mind... though I won't say to whom it applies.

Amazing indeed! https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/verify-professor-says-covid-real-facebook-post-fake/507-a763ec65-87b8-4147-b317-1dc7cbef2730

You mean it attracts the wrong kind of attention when you do it on the radio or at rallies?