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Perhaps they were some of the sons of GOD who sang HIS praise when HE gave proof of HIS divinity and eternal power by the creation of the physical universe as per Job 38:7 and Romans 1:18-20 and before conception He discussed with them some things about the lives they would have once they were...

YHWH said her distress was because the twins were fighting hard to kill each other, to crush each other to pieces, because, HE implied, they each wanted to be first born... Strong's Concordance: 7533. ratsats, to crush to pieces, NT to jostle for room.... Original Word: רָצַץ Transliteration...

Thank you, this is very interesting...but such interpretations do not avoid basing conclusions upon past decisions... The step further in the connection between Israel and in the beginning before the foundation of the word, could be that Israel [ALL the Sons of GOD: Job 38:7] was actually there...

...nor torture.

GOD is not waiting for GOD to do anything...GOD has given HIS sinful but legitimate children perfect lives to bring them to redemption and sanctification ACCORDING TO OUR NEEDS AS STUBBORN AND REBELLIOUS in our fragility. Becoming holy and only choosing righteousness is a prerequisite for the...

Calvinism seems to be the newest voice for the 'God who creates evil'...The Gnostics taught the first Christian version of the idea that God creates evil while the Eastern mystical and pagan religions have always worshipped God as the creator of evil. Most Christians of course repudiate the God...

It seems like I wrote that on Nov 7, 2021. It also seems that the contradiction in what I wrote was probably because I quoted the wrong post for some reason. Thanks for the heads up!

And here I thought the lie was fully discussed in Romans 1.

This answer is a waaaay to complicated for him... He is an shallow opportunist who sees his chance to curry the favour of those who accept a useless but possible answer to their frear.

YES...but not by magic but by the help of the Holy Spirit, Heb 12:5-11. The word saved has little meaning because it covers a long time process with different stages and catch points during it being worked out.

While I'm not Calvinist, I have been told often enough that though they understand the use of election to seperate people out, it is the cross they depend upon for their salvation, the fulfillment of the salvation promised by election.

Yes, when we try to understand a different pov it is always a struggle to decide if they are worshipping a false god correctly (according to his lies, Rom 1) or if they are worshiping the True GOD falsely, ie, making a mistake about HIS true revelation.

I think this should have concluded documentation....

I cannot accept this. There is not one good thing about this system of creating sinners for no reason, some to die and some to be saved. HE did not even create Satan this way yet after seeing the horrors of a free will choosing sin, both in the Satanic war in heaven and Eve's idolatry of the...

I agree, it is Calvinism and I also agree with this doctrine...BUT Calvinism also says that by nothing found in ourselves, in those elected to be saved or in those not elected to be saved, caused their election or reprobation... a cause for dismay or derision at a God who would do this because...

Some get the grace to do just that while others do not... Eph 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.…

Addendum: a free will must have the ability to choose both righteousness and sinfulness. Never choosing sin is not a lack of free will but an embodiment of the will's ability to choose righteousness. Sinners cannot choose righteousness without grace so they have no free will. But to become a...

ImCo: Free will is NOT measured by the ability to chose because those enslaved by, addicted to, besotted with, evil desires still chose which sins to indulge in and how to indulge them. In fact since GOD cannot sin nor create sinners, the fact that sin and evil has come into HIS creation is...

The fall happened before the foundation of the world... The serpent arrived in the garden already evil with evil intent....

It is this way because only sinners are born into mankind, some as the sinful but good (elect) seed, the sinful people of the kingdom, (Matt 13:36:39) the sheep of Christ by faith who have gone astray into sin but are then returned to Him: 1 Peter 2:25 For "you were like sheep going astray," but...